Affiliate Manager Training from Affpal with Stefan Muehlbauer

what landing pages are working for the what landing pages are working for the affiliate but also for you that's

affiliate but also for you that's affiliate but also for you that's another important question you give an

another important question you give an another important question you give an Affiliated a landing page works super

Affiliated a landing page works super Affiliated a landing page works super good for them but nobody of the uses is

good for them but nobody of the uses is good for them but nobody of the uses is buying them afterwards you have to track

buying them afterwards you have to track buying them afterwards you have to track that all down if he is sending to 10

that all down if he is sending to 10 that all down if he is sending to 10 different landing pages you are maybe

different landing pages you are maybe different landing pages you are maybe not even spotting the one that is like

not even spotting the one that is like not even spotting the one that is like the biggest leader and you could

the biggest leader and you could the biggest leader and you could increase the affiliate payout in a way

increase the affiliate payout in a way increase the affiliate payout in a way if you would know all the kind of things

if you would know all the kind of things if you would know all the kind of things that the affiliate makes more you make

that the affiliate makes more you make that the affiliate makes more you make more and you cut this landing page that

more and you cut this landing page that more and you cut this landing page that is at the moment the most successful one

is at the moment the most successful one is at the moment the most successful one for the affiliate but uses half of the

for the affiliate but uses half of the for the affiliate but uses half of the graphics and this is again then uh back

graphics and this is again then uh back graphics and this is again then uh back to the situation um that the market can

to the situation um that the market can to the situation um that the market can double with proper of C management but

double with proper of C management but double with proper of C management but there is nothing that you can do by hand

there is nothing that you can do by hand there is nothing that you can do by hand anymore for this you need tools for this

anymore for this you need tools for this anymore for this you need tools for this you need AI for this you need big data

you need AI for this you need big data you need AI for this you need big data that you are analyzing so I think it's

that you are analyzing so I think it's that you are analyzing so I think it's for a companies that are a bit smaller

for a companies that are a bit smaller for a companies that are a bit smaller and cannot afford this setup quite

and cannot afford this setup quite and cannot afford this setup quite challenging in the future or they are

challenging in the future or they are challenging in the future or they are using tools that are like sof related

using tools that are like sof related using tools that are like sof related that can give them this

that can give them this that can give them this information I'm John Wright and you're

information I'm John Wright and you're information I'm John Wright and you're listening to affiliate bi the business

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sta welcome to the affiliate bi podcast sta welcome to the affiliate bi podcast today we're chatting with Stefan mbow

today we're chatting with Stefan mbow today we're chatting with Stefan mbow hopefully I said that correctly he's the

hopefully I said that correctly he's the hopefully I said that correctly he's the head of Affiliates for masters in cash

head of Affiliates for masters in cash head of Affiliates for masters in cash he's the founder of a.net which is a

he's the founder of a.net which is a he's the founder of a.net which is a Consulting Agency for affiliate

Consulting Agency for affiliate Consulting Agency for affiliate management specializing in Recruitment

management specializing in Recruitment management specializing in Recruitment and we'll get into that soon as the main

and we'll get into that soon as the main and we'll get into that soon as the main USD and he's also the author of

USD and he's also the author of USD and he's also the author of affiliate management starter kit Stefan

affiliate management starter kit Stefan affiliate management starter kit Stefan welcome to the show sure speak pleas

welcome to the show sure speak pleas welcome to the show sure speak pleas pleasure to be here in your show I like

pleasure to be here in your show I like pleasure to be here in your show I like your work a lot thanks we were just

your work a lot thanks we were just your work a lot thanks we were just joking before recording about our

joking before recording about our joking before recording about our podcasting habits and how we've got like

podcasting habits and how we've got like podcasting habits and how we've got like our own routine so maybe we can jump

our own routine so maybe we can jump our own routine so maybe we can jump into some podcasting tips soon but I

into some podcasting tips soon but I into some podcasting tips soon but I want to get started to actually I'm

want to get started to actually I'm want to get started to actually I'm really interested in what your book is really interested in what your book is really interested in what your book is about the field management starter kit

about the field management starter kit about the field management starter kit can you tell me what's inside and why

can you tell me what's inside and why can you tell me what's inside and why did you create this so why I created

did you create this so why I created did you create this so why I created this is because I I had a lot of

this is because I I had a lot of this is because I I had a lot of requests from people that are actually

requests from people that are actually requests from people that are actually not in the Ino and they want to join

not in the Ino and they want to join not in the Ino and they want to join this are especially friends that are

this are especially friends that are this are especially friends that are seeing something like the affiliate or

seeing something like the affiliate or seeing something like the affiliate or affiliate marketer lifestyle and it's of

affiliate marketer lifestyle and it's of affiliate marketer lifestyle and it's of course more appealing than a 9 to5 job

course more appealing than a 9 to5 job course more appealing than a 9 to5 job in the hamster wheel so a lot of people

in the hamster wheel so a lot of people in the hamster wheel so a lot of people reached out hey I need this advice that

reached out hey I need this advice that reached out hey I need this advice that advice and the questions were always

advice and the questions were always advice and the questions were always repeating plus what I also figured out

repeating plus what I also figured out repeating plus what I also figured out that when I saw like changes from

that when I saw like changes from that when I saw like changes from affiliate managers and companies that

affiliate managers and companies that affiliate managers and companies that are new in the industry they moved

are new in the industry they moved are new in the industry they moved mostly away because they didn't got like

mostly away because they didn't got like mostly away because they didn't got like a proper support from the company when

a proper support from the company when a proper support from the company when it comes to training on onboarding if

it comes to training on onboarding if it comes to training on onboarding if you are an experienced affiliate manager

you are an experienced affiliate manager you are an experienced affiliate manager you will find your way around especially

you will find your way around especially you will find your way around especially if you are familiar with the work TR but

if you are familiar with the work TR but if you are familiar with the work TR but if you are new there and you don't have

if you are new there and you don't have if you are new there and you don't have a buddy some companies they give you a

a buddy some companies they give you a a buddy some companies they give you a buddy to train you or like a supervisor

buddy to train you or like a supervisor buddy to train you or like a supervisor that is really on point or like an

that is really on point or like an that is really on point or like an internal training program then you are

internal training program then you are internal training program then you are lost and I collected some of the

lost and I collected some of the lost and I collected some of the questions I thought a little bit about

questions I thought a little bit about questions I thought a little bit about was what were my challenges and also of

was what were my challenges and also of was what were my challenges and also of course observe the market and I speak a

course observe the market and I speak a course observe the market and I speak a lot with affiliate managers and account

lot with affiliate managers and account lot with affiliate managers and account man just and I summarized this all in a

man just and I summarized this all in a man just and I summarized this all in a book and as the original idea was to

book and as the original idea was to book and as the original idea was to help people also to end the industry it

help people also to end the industry it help people also to end the industry it goes really from how to find a job how

goes really from how to find a job how goes really from how to find a job how to pass the job interview even but is

to pass the job interview even but is to pass the job interview even but is maybe also helpful a little bit for

maybe also helpful a little bit for maybe also helpful a little bit for recruiters to find out uh the right base

recruiters to find out uh the right base recruiters to find out uh the right base to find the right people and from there

to find the right people and from there to find the right people and from there we go then really what are the first

we go then really what are the first we go then really what are the first things you have to learn how to find

things you have to learn how to find things you have to learn how to find Affiliates how to react Affiliates what

Affiliates how to react Affiliates what Affiliates how to react Affiliates what you do when you take over the Affiliates

you do when you take over the Affiliates you do when you take over the Affiliates that are already existing how to behave

that are already existing how to behave that are already existing how to behave on a show how to do the follow-ups from

on a show how to do the follow-ups from on a show how to do the follow-ups from a conference and also a little bit of an

a conference and also a little bit of an a conference and also a little bit of an Outlook of what are your options to

Outlook of what are your options to Outlook of what are your options to continue with this career or to grow

continue with this career or to grow continue with this career or to grow maybe into something like a team lead or

maybe into something like a team lead or maybe into something like a team lead or a senior affiliate manager a business

a senior affiliate manager a business a senior affiliate manager a business developer and what characteristics it

developer and what characteristics it developer and what characteristics it needs for that I'm very convinced that

needs for that I'm very convinced that needs for that I'm very convinced that if somebody does 10 years in the

if somebody does 10 years in the if somebody does 10 years in the investor reads it they will find like

investor reads it they will find like investor reads it they will find like two three things as well that they can

two three things as well that they can two three things as well that they can take for themselves because during

take for themselves because during take for themselves because during creation of the book of course I uh

creation of the book of course I uh creation of the book of course I uh relied also on help of other people and

relied also on help of other people and relied also on help of other people and their feedback that are very experienced

their feedback that are very experienced their feedback that are very experienced I discovered things for myself as well

I discovered things for myself as well I discovered things for myself as well other the tget group are new p and what

other the tget group are new p and what other the tget group are new p and what makes me very happy is that the book is

makes me very happy is that the book is makes me very happy is that the book is used in a few companies as like uh

used in a few companies as like uh used in a few companies as like uh training routine for their for their

training routine for their for their training routine for their for their team so they give their new guys the

team so they give their new guys the team so they give their new guys the book and say hey read it and with your

book and say hey read it and with your book and say hey read it and with your questions you come back back to us and I

questions you come back back to us and I questions you come back back to us and I think that helps a lot together with

think that helps a lot together with think that helps a lot together with reading the right articles and watching

reading the right articles and watching reading the right articles and watching podcasts from people that are long in

podcasts from people that are long in podcasts from people that are long in the the the industry would you say that this is my

industry would you say that this is my industry would you say that this is my take that when a film managers are

take that when a film managers are take that when a film managers are really great at their job they just

really great at their job they just really great at their job they just migrate into a management role like into

migrate into a management role like into migrate into a management role like into the overall company like part of

the overall company like part of the overall company like part of management part of marketing and maybe

management part of marketing and maybe management part of marketing and maybe that creates a gap where there's so many

that creates a gap where there's so many that creates a gap where there's so many affil management jobs available and

affil management jobs available and affil management jobs available and needed but I just find that the best

needed but I just find that the best needed but I just find that the best ones they migrate their way out and

ones they migrate their way out and ones they migrate their way out and there's this deficit of the the best

there's this deficit of the the best there's this deficit of the the best managers because they just kept moving

managers because they just kept moving managers because they just kept moving on yeah that was part of my uh recent

on yeah that was part of my uh recent on yeah that was part of my uh recent speech in Italy about uh recruitment in

speech in Italy about uh recruitment in speech in Italy about uh recruitment in this field we don't see the problem too

this field we don't see the problem too this field we don't see the problem too much that they are growing into the much that they are growing into the much that they are growing into the management position we see it more the

management position we see it more the management position we see it more the best guys are making their own networks

best guys are making their own networks best guys are making their own networks or programs nowadays with all the s

or programs nowadays with all the s or programs nowadays with all the s solutions that you have on the market if

solutions that you have on the market if solutions that you have on the market if you have the right connections and you you have the right connections and you you have the right connections and you are appreciated on the market it's so

are appreciated on the market it's so are appreciated on the market it's so easy to set up a business that it's then

easy to set up a business that it's then easy to set up a business that it's then really successful it needs way more

really successful it needs way more really successful it needs way more things than just being a good uh people

things than just being a good uh people things than just being a good uh people person and a good aate or Advertiser

person and a good aate or Advertiser person and a good aate or Advertiser manager manager manager because there is finance and Tech and so

because there is finance and Tech and so because there is finance and Tech and so on even if you have S solutions that has

on even if you have S solutions that has on even if you have S solutions that has to be like handled in a proper way but I

to be like handled in a proper way but I to be like handled in a proper way but I see the risk mod that the really best

see the risk mod that the really best see the risk mod that the really best guys are making even a competition

guys are making even a competition guys are making even a competition product um or a competition company that

product um or a competition company that product um or a competition company that they are that affiliate managers have

they are that affiliate managers have they are that affiliate managers have the motivation to grow in the company I

the motivation to grow in the company I the motivation to grow in the company I see of course a lot and they need

see of course a lot and they need see of course a lot and they need potential but I see that actually even

potential but I see that actually even potential but I see that actually even more with um growing within the company

more with um growing within the company more with um growing within the company that's a very big uh demand from people

that's a very big uh demand from people that's a very big uh demand from people to grow within the company but they have

to grow within the company but they have to grow within the company but they have to be also a bit realistic the best

to be also a bit realistic the best to be also a bit realistic the best affiliate managers are not making

affiliate managers are not making affiliate managers are not making automatically the best team leads or

automatically the best team leads or automatically the best team leads or marketing people or business developers

marketing people or business developers marketing people or business developers especially business development is often

especially business development is often especially business development is often mixed up with sales and with a three

mixed up with sales and with a three mixed up with sales and with a three management they throw it in one pot but

management they throw it in one pot but management they throw it in one pot but it's absolutely not the case and the

it's absolutely not the case and the it's absolutely not the case and the character has to fit to the person but

character has to fit to the person but character has to fit to the person but yeah the people if they are not getting

yeah the people if they are not getting yeah the people if they are not getting like a role with their company that is

like a role with their company that is like a role with their company that is motivating they move on and if they are

motivating they move on and if they are motivating they move on and if they are really good they make sooner or later

really good they make sooner or later really good they make sooner or later their own their own company yeah I think

their own their own company yeah I think their own their own company yeah I think what you just said there is a note I what you just said there is a note I what you just said there is a note I wrote before you even said it which is

wrote before you even said it which is wrote before you even said it which is there's too much emphasis on sales like

there's too much emphasis on sales like there's too much emphasis on sales like when companies are putting together an when companies are putting together an when companies are putting together an affiliate program they right we need as

affiliate program they right we need as affiliate program they right we need as many Affiliates signing up as possible

many Affiliates signing up as possible many Affiliates signing up as possible and then we need as many sales from and then we need as many sales from and then we need as many sales from those Affiliates and on paper yes of

those Affiliates and on paper yes of those Affiliates and on paper yes of course we want that but I think you're

course we want that but I think you're course we want that but I think you're missing out on the things where emphasis

missing out on the things where emphasis missing out on the things where emphasis on sales could actually hurt relation

on sales could actually hurt relation on sales could actually hurt relation ship building which to me relationship

ship building which to me relationship ship building which to me relationship building is should be the fundamental

building is should be the fundamental building is should be the fundamental starting point of affiliate

starting point of affiliate starting point of affiliate marketing yeah and there is an even more

marketing yeah and there is an even more marketing yeah and there is an even more impact when you have a strong sales in

impact when you have a strong sales in impact when you have a strong sales in affiliate management the strong sales

affiliate management the strong sales affiliate management the strong sales should be somebody that is like a

should be somebody that is like a should be somebody that is like a business developer they bring new ideas

business developer they bring new ideas business developer they bring new ideas they bring new opportunities they close

they bring new opportunities they close they bring new opportunities they close they throw everything in the funnel

they throw everything in the funnel they throw everything in the funnel there or you have really like an aate

there or you have really like an aate there or you have really like an aate manager focusing on hunting but the best

manager focusing on hunting but the best manager focusing on hunting but the best AIG managers I saw are the guys that are

AIG managers I saw are the guys that are AIG managers I saw are the guys that are not even screaming the loudest they are

not even screaming the loudest they are not even screaming the loudest they are the guys that are really there for their

the guys that are really there for their the guys that are really there for their Fates and this is not like rocket

Fates and this is not like rocket Fates and this is not like rocket science this is really a trait that you

science this is really a trait that you science this is really a trait that you can learn even easier and they are the

can learn even easier and they are the can learn even easier and they are the ones that have the CRM system always

ones that have the CRM system always ones that have the CRM system always updated proper they are the ones that

updated proper they are the ones that updated proper they are the ones that are crushing numbers for the Affiliates

are crushing numbers for the Affiliates are crushing numbers for the Affiliates to find the right opportunities but also

to find the right opportunities but also to find the right opportunities but also crushing the numbers for the for the

crushing the numbers for the for the crushing the numbers for the for the company to see also what things are

company to see also what things are company to see also what things are working for the company just reliable

working for the company just reliable working for the company just reliable people that like detailed work are

people that like detailed work are people that like detailed work are making on the longterm more sense than

making on the longterm more sense than making on the longterm more sense than the loud screamers because if you scream

the loud screamers because if you scream the loud screamers because if you scream a lot and you're bringing a lot of sales

a lot and you're bringing a lot of sales a lot and you're bringing a lot of sales and you are not managing the affiliate

and you are not managing the affiliate and you are not managing the affiliate proper and reliable sooner or later the

proper and reliable sooner or later the proper and reliable sooner or later the EPC and results of the affiliate will

EPC and results of the affiliate will EPC and results of the affiliate will not be as good anymore and you can

not be as good anymore and you can not be as good anymore and you can scream as loud as you want numbers don't

scream as loud as you want numbers don't scream as loud as you want numbers don't lie you can maybe always restart them

lie you can maybe always restart them lie you can maybe always restart them with something new but if you are just

with something new but if you are just with something new but if you are just maintaining them proper in a friendly

maintaining them proper in a friendly maintaining them proper in a friendly partnership way you don't have to scream

partnership way you don't have to scream partnership way you don't have to scream because the affiliate sticks to

because the affiliate sticks to because the affiliate sticks to you yeah I agree I have another I've got

you yeah I agree I have another I've got you yeah I agree I have another I've got a ton of questions here when I ran some

a ton of questions here when I ran some a ton of questions here when I ran some affiliate sites like some of them were

affiliate sites like some of them were affiliate sites like some of them were Casino affiliate sites and we'd have

Casino affiliate sites and we'd have Casino affiliate sites and we'd have thousands of accounts like we just hired

thousands of accounts like we just hired thousands of accounts like we just hired one for every program we could get our

one for every program we could get our one for every program we could get our hands on and what I found frustrating

hands on and what I found frustrating hands on and what I found frustrating was most affiliate managers they only

was most affiliate managers they only was most affiliate managers they only wanted one thing they wanted to be on

wanted one thing they wanted to be on wanted one thing they wanted to be on the homepage and they wanted number one

the homepage and they wanted number one the homepage and they wanted number one position because we had this top list

position because we had this top list position because we had this top list and everyone kind of copies and it's

and everyone kind of copies and it's and everyone kind of copies and it's frustrated because no one would take the

frustrated because no one would take the frustrated because no one would take the time to listen to say hey we have two

time to listen to say hey we have two time to listen to say hey we have two other pages that can drive even more

other pages that can drive even more other pages that can drive even more sales and we also the newsletter which

sales and we also the newsletter which sales and we also the newsletter which actually drives the maximum sales I

actually drives the maximum sales I actually drives the maximum sales I think this concept of inventory

think this concept of inventory think this concept of inventory management is lost in affiliate management is lost in affiliate management is lost in affiliate marketing especially with managers how

marketing especially with managers how marketing especially with managers how do you train them to spot better

do you train them to spot better do you train them to spot better opportunities to say it's not just the

opportunities to say it's not just the opportunities to say it's not just the homepage there are better ways of

homepage there are better ways of homepage there are better ways of converting so the majority of people

converting so the majority of people converting so the majority of people that we work with is uh media buyers and

that we work with is uh media buyers and that we work with is uh media buyers and also with the majority of my clients

also with the majority of my clients also with the majority of my clients that I have in consultancy but what is

that I have in consultancy but what is that I have in consultancy but what is definitely helping you is you are having

definitely helping you is you are having definitely helping you is you are having as many informations about the

as many informations about the as many informations about the Affiliates and you can segment then for

Affiliates and you can segment then for Affiliates and you can segment then for example in the CRM system in your

example in the CRM system in your example in the CRM system in your example with the homepage that has even

example with the homepage that has even example with the homepage that has even better traffic on the newsletter if you

better traffic on the newsletter if you better traffic on the newsletter if you make this check with the affiliate when

make this check with the affiliate when make this check with the affiliate when you start a cooperation hey what type of

you start a cooperation hey what type of you start a cooperation hey what type of traffic you have you run this kind of

traffic you have you run this kind of traffic you have you run this kind of stuff as well hey I saw that you have

stuff as well hey I saw that you have stuff as well hey I saw that you have also a sign up for on your on your

also a sign up for on your on your also a sign up for on your on your homepage what are you doing with the

homepage what are you doing with the homepage what are you doing with the data there then you have points really

data there then you have points really data there then you have points really to to work with and if you have like a a

to to work with and if you have like a a to to work with and if you have like a a framework and something like a way of

framework and something like a way of framework and something like a way of work you're not forgetting this kind of

work you're not forgetting this kind of work you're not forgetting this kind of things and if you have for example this

things and if you have for example this things and if you have for example this template in your CRM system and you go

template in your CRM system and you go template in your CRM system and you go through it step by step there is no way

through it step by step there is no way through it step by step there is no way that the affiliate manager is forgetting

that the affiliate manager is forgetting that the affiliate manager is forgetting it so it's not even about training

it so it's not even about training it so it's not even about training somebody if I take somebody from the

somebody if I take somebody from the somebody if I take somebody from the streets that speak propa mission is not

streets that speak propa mission is not streets that speak propa mission is not a total fool and I said hey this is an

a total fool and I said hey this is an a total fool and I said hey this is an email this is an affiliator this is a

email this is an affiliator this is a email this is an affiliator this is a theic I'm your write them now this and

theic I'm your write them now this and theic I'm your write them now this and that and then you ask him some of these

that and then you ask him some of these that and then you ask him some of these points you can do it after 5 minutes but

points you can do it after 5 minutes but points you can do it after 5 minutes but the most people they are not willing to

the most people they are not willing to the most people they are not willing to put this effort into that and I have to

put this effort into that and I have to put this effort into that and I have to to say myself it's hard for me to keep

to say myself it's hard for me to keep to say myself it's hard for me to keep up with that in a proper way too but

up with that in a proper way too but up with that in a proper way too but after a while when you could that when

after a while when you could that when after a while when you could that when you can do this data mining on your

you can do this data mining on your you can do this data mining on your Affiliates and you know everything about

Affiliates and you know everything about Affiliates and you know everything about that you don't have to proper work

that you don't have to proper work that you don't have to proper work anymore in your life everything is

anymore in your life everything is anymore in your life everything is served for you on a on a silver plate so

served for you on a on a silver plate so served for you on a on a silver plate so the affiliate managers have to

the affiliate managers have to the affiliate managers have to understand from day one the better they

understand from day one the better they understand from day one the better they collect data and informations about

collect data and informations about collect data and informations about their Affiliates the easier their job

their Affiliates the easier their job their Affiliates the easier their job becomes and the more transform sales in

becomes and the more transform sales in becomes and the more transform sales in to to to maintaining I agree Mass mail versus

maintaining I agree Mass mail versus maintaining I agree Mass mail versus personalization this is all in relation

personalization this is all in relation personalization this is all in relation to outreach what is your take on us I

to outreach what is your take on us I to outreach what is your take on us I can refer here the most to people that

can refer here the most to people that can refer here the most to people that we are already having in the system and

we are already having in the system and we are already having in the system and that we don't have a Skype or a telegram

that we don't have a Skype or a telegram that we don't have a Skype or a telegram because this is always my preferred way

because this is always my preferred way because this is always my preferred way of of working so we send them emails and

of of working so we send them emails and of of working so we send them emails and the emails are a little bit of a mix so

the emails are a little bit of a mix so the emails are a little bit of a mix so you usually make again like this data

you usually make again like this data you usually make again like this data mining based on the numbers that they

mining based on the numbers that they mining based on the numbers that they did and when they were never locking in

did and when they were never locking in did and when they were never locking in to your account in The Last 5 Years most

to your account in The Last 5 Years most to your account in The Last 5 Years most prob informations are not up to date

prob informations are not up to date prob informations are not up to date yeah I think then it's like a must mail

yeah I think then it's like a must mail yeah I think then it's like a must mail okay but if it's just somebody that is

okay but if it's just somebody that is okay but if it's just somebody that is just about the minimum payout or

just about the minimum payout or just about the minimum payout or something like this you should put the something like this you should put the something like this you should put the effort and uh check what this guy is

effort and uh check what this guy is effort and uh check what this guy is doing and the same goes by the way also

doing and the same goes by the way also doing and the same goes by the way also when it comes to the Outreach for

when it comes to the Outreach for when it comes to the Outreach for conferences I had here a very

conferences I had here a very conferences I had here a very interesting podcast in in my in my show

interesting podcast in in my in my show interesting podcast in in my in my show with a guy that made an Outreach to me

with a guy that made an Outreach to me with a guy that made an Outreach to me in the most detailed way I ever got

in the most detailed way I ever got in the most detailed way I ever got contacted from somebody I don't know but

contacted from somebody I don't know but contacted from somebody I don't know but the company so the guy was really giving

the company so the guy was really giving the company so the guy was really giving us all the numbers and all the histories

us all the numbers and all the histories us all the numbers and all the histories and what have changed since we bought and what have changed since we bought and what have changed since we bought the last time there there at click it

the last time there there at click it the last time there there at click it was by the way traffic stars niiki from

was by the way traffic stars niiki from was by the way traffic stars niiki from traffic Stars yeah I can see she did

traffic Stars yeah I can see she did traffic Stars yeah I can see she did done fantastic work and I wanted to meet

done fantastic work and I wanted to meet done fantastic work and I wanted to meet this guy just because it was so detailed

this guy just because it was so detailed this guy just because it was so detailed I was knowing that I when I will sit

I was knowing that I when I will sit I was knowing that I when I will sit with him it will have value so that is

with him it will have value so that is with him it will have value so that is one way but it's also an extreme he most

one way but it's also an extreme he most one way but it's also an extreme he most probably took half an hour just to uh

probably took half an hour just to uh probably took half an hour just to uh prepare the message towards me but if

prepare the message towards me but if prepare the message towards me but if you go through the app or the website

you go through the app or the website you go through the app or the website where you have all the attendees you

where you have all the attendees you where you have all the attendees you cannot do that you should do that for

cannot do that you should do that for cannot do that you should do that for the people that you had business with

the people that you had business with the people that you had business with and you want to reactivate or you

and you want to reactivate or you and you want to reactivate or you already have business with and you want

already have business with and you want already have business with and you want to scale but you don't speak with them

to scale but you don't speak with them to scale but you don't speak with them on a regular base for all the others I

on a regular base for all the others I on a regular base for all the others I would make a very Universal approach

would make a very Universal approach would make a very Universal approach what are the best things that you offer

what are the best things that you offer what are the best things that you offer and reach out to them and say hey I saw

and reach out to them and say hey I saw and reach out to them and say hey I saw that you are attending in Sigma I saw

that you are attending in Sigma I saw that you are attending in Sigma I saw that you're an affiliate we have this

that you're an affiliate we have this that you're an affiliate we have this and these offers in this markets we pay

and these offers in this markets we pay and these offers in this markets we pay out this and in the first months we have

out this and in the first months we have out this and in the first months we have this and this Bonos and additionally we

this and this Bonos and additionally we this and this Bonos and additionally we have at the moment contest um if you

have at the moment contest um if you have at the moment contest um if you send minimum 1,000 clients we sent you a

send minimum 1,000 clients we sent you a send minimum 1,000 clients we sent you a roxs or whatever and in that way it's

roxs or whatever and in that way it's roxs or whatever and in that way it's it's already saying more than the others

it's already saying more than the others it's already saying more than the others like hey I saw you an aate I saw that

like hey I saw you an aate I saw that like hey I saw you an aate I saw that you're also going to Sigma can we meet

you're also going to Sigma can we meet you're also going to Sigma can we meet and this is something that is steing the

and this is something that is steing the and this is something that is steing the time and it's sent out very often and

time and it's sent out very often and time and it's sent out very often and it's not only affiliate managers it's in

it's not only affiliate managers it's in it's not only affiliate managers it's in general people that have to present

general people that have to present general people that have to present something because I don't know what this

something because I don't know what this something because I don't know what this person is doing with without checking in

person is doing with without checking in person is doing with without checking in details what this person is doing myself

details what this person is doing myself details what this person is doing myself but you right me you want something from

but you right me you want something from but you right me you want something from me so if you would be interesting for me

me so if you would be interesting for me me so if you would be interesting for me you would have already got a message you would have already got a message you would have already got a message from me hopefully or you will get it in

from me hopefully or you will get it in from me hopefully or you will get it in the future so you should at a minimum

the future so you should at a minimum the future so you should at a minimum say what you offer and what you want

say what you offer and what you want say what you offer and what you want from me yeah I agree I'm I think we all

from me yeah I agree I'm I think we all from me yeah I agree I'm I think we all get frustrated with the spray and prey

get frustrated with the spray and prey get frustrated with the spray and prey messages where it's like you didn't even

messages where it's like you didn't even messages where it's like you didn't even take the time to know if I'm a qualified

take the time to know if I'm a qualified take the time to know if I'm a qualified person uh another thing I get frustrated

person uh another thing I get frustrated person uh another thing I get frustrated with is people that want to set up the

with is people that want to set up the with is people that want to set up the meeting at a conference and it's we I'm

meeting at a conference and it's we I'm meeting at a conference and it's we I'm not your customer it's you're going to

not your customer it's you're going to not your customer it's you're going to waste each other's time but they're so

waste each other's time but they're so waste each other's time but they're so insistent and you're like I would be

insistent and you're like I would be insistent and you're like I would be horrified if that was my program and my

horrified if that was my program and my horrified if that was my program and my affiliate manager trying to set up affiliate manager trying to set up affiliate manager trying to set up meetings with just for the sake of

meetings with just for the sake of meetings with just for the sake of setting up the meeting and being busy

setting up the meeting and being busy setting up the meeting and being busy yeah it's a problem because the kpis all

yeah it's a problem because the kpis all yeah it's a problem because the kpis all Affiliates affiliate managers are

Affiliates affiliate managers are Affiliates affiliate managers are managed by their team are often so wrong

managed by their team are often so wrong managed by their team are often so wrong from how it should be as you said it's

from how it should be as you said it's from how it should be as you said it's like a minimum of contacts okay when we

like a minimum of contacts okay when we like a minimum of contacts okay when we were taking the people the first time to

were taking the people the first time to were taking the people the first time to a conference some of them they were like

a conference some of them they were like a conference some of them they were like 3 4 days in the company we really said

3 4 days in the company we really said 3 4 days in the company we really said hey this is what we need just in hey this is what we need just in hey this is what we need just in business cards we cannot expect business cards we cannot expect business cards we cannot expect something something more at this time

something something more at this time something something more at this time but in general the kpi should not be hey

but in general the kpi should not be hey but in general the kpi should not be hey just how many how many meetings you have

just how many how many meetings you have just how many how many meetings you have you better don't have meetings and you you better don't have meetings and you you better don't have meetings and you just stay in the bar and everybody that

just stay in the bar and everybody that just stay in the bar and everybody that stops at you you buy a beer and ask what

stops at you you buy a beer and ask what stops at you you buy a beer and ask what they do at the end of the evening you they do at the end of the evening you they do at the end of the evening you are drunk but you have maybe like five

are drunk but you have maybe like five are drunk but you have maybe like five six really qualified new talks that are

six really qualified new talks that are six really qualified new talks that are definitely the wrong ideas how to

definitely the wrong ideas how to definitely the wrong ideas how to measure with the success it's the same

measure with the success it's the same measure with the success it's the same as you said I think in the beginning

as you said I think in the beginning as you said I think in the beginning with a new program that just says hey

with a new program that just says hey with a new program that just says hey how many Affiliates is everybody

how many Affiliates is everybody how many Affiliates is everybody onboarding if you just want to onboard

onboarding if you just want to onboard onboarding if you just want to onboard everybody you make like posts everywhere

everybody you make like posts everywhere everybody you make like posts everywhere in every forum and the next day you have

in every forum and the next day you have in every forum and the next day you have 100 signups and from this 100 are 99

100 signups and from this 100 are 99 100 signups and from this 100 are 99 trash that are stealing your time so you

trash that are stealing your time so you trash that are stealing your time so you don't even have time to focus on the one

don't even have time to focus on the one don't even have time to focus on the one that is like delant so yeah that has to

that is like delant so yeah that has to that is like delant so yeah that has to be seen a bit

be seen a bit be seen a bit different for the things that affiliate

different for the things that affiliate different for the things that affiliate managers can do for their skills and to

managers can do for their skills and to managers can do for their skills and to try to not just drive sales but make

try to not just drive sales but make try to not just drive sales but make them more relevant

them more relevant them more relevant I believe that more affiliate managers

I believe that more affiliate managers I believe that more affiliate managers actually had all the trading especially

actually had all the trading especially actually had all the trading especially what you teach do you think the

what you teach do you think the what you teach do you think the affiliate marketing industry could affiliate marketing industry could affiliate marketing industry could double over in its size and revenue it's

double over in its size and revenue it's double over in its size and revenue it's hard to give like a real prediction on

hard to give like a real prediction on hard to give like a real prediction on that but it definitely can be done uh

that but it definitely can be done uh that but it definitely can be done uh way better just if the traffic stays

way better just if the traffic stays way better just if the traffic stays exactly the way it is from recommending

exactly the way it is from recommending exactly the way it is from recommending the best products and landing pages to

the best products and landing pages to the best products and landing pages to their Affiliates is making an huge

their Affiliates is making an huge their Affiliates is making an huge impact if you show the users the clients

impact if you show the users the clients impact if you show the users the clients exactly what they want to see it's

exactly what they want to see it's exactly what they want to see it's increasing the conversion rate and it's

increasing the conversion rate and it's increasing the conversion rate and it's also increasing the rate of what is

also increasing the rate of what is also increasing the rate of what is happening then in the product after the

happening then in the product after the happening then in the product after the sign up or after the purchase and the

sign up or after the purchase and the sign up or after the purchase and the retention and so on so I think better a

retention and so on so I think better a retention and so on so I think better a f8 management can have a very big impact

f8 management can have a very big impact f8 management can have a very big impact is it double is it three times it is

is it double is it three times it is is it double is it three times it is only 20% I don't know but there is so

only 20% I don't know but there is so only 20% I don't know but there is so much room more from us to do it and I

much room more from us to do it and I much room more from us to do it and I think that is playing now a little bit

think that is playing now a little bit think that is playing now a little bit maybe in the hands of the people that

maybe in the hands of the people that maybe in the hands of the people that are uh more sales orientated in the

are uh more sales orientated in the are uh more sales orientated in the future there are tools around

future there are tools around future there are tools around um that will help the people to make

um that will help the people to make um that will help the people to make this a little bit more automatic this or

this a little bit more automatic this or this a little bit more automatic this or there are tools coming up that are

there are tools coming up that are there are tools coming up that are making the things a little bit more making the things a little bit more making the things a little bit more automatic when it comes to this ground

automatic when it comes to this ground automatic when it comes to this ground work like what opportunities what

work like what opportunities what work like what opportunities what recommendations you can give to the

recommendations you can give to the recommendations you can give to the affiliate and so on and that will help

affiliate and so on and that will help affiliate and so on and that will help us a lot because when you're are sitting

us a lot because when you're are sitting us a lot because when you're are sitting 3 hours per day just to analyze data

3 hours per day just to analyze data 3 hours per day just to analyze data because you the super reliable AED

because you the super reliable AED because you the super reliable AED manager if you get it already on server

manager if you get it already on server manager if you get it already on server plate this three hours can be used to

plate this three hours can be used to plate this three hours can be used to speak like to more

speak like to more speak like to more years yeah I agree do you think that

years yeah I agree do you think that years yeah I agree do you think that there is a need for CRM tools that focus

there is a need for CRM tools that focus there is a need for CRM tools that focus more on the retention side the customer

more on the retention side the customer more on the retention side the customer relationship because my take is a lot of

relationship because my take is a lot of relationship because my take is a lot of the existing CRM tools on the market

the existing CRM tools on the market the existing CRM tools on the market like your Salesforce your HubSpot your

like your Salesforce your HubSpot your like your Salesforce your HubSpot your pipe Drive they are more sales first

pipe Drive they are more sales first pipe Drive they are more sales first it's get the sale and it's I don't feel

it's get the sale and it's I don't feel it's get the sale and it's I don't feel I know that they are built in a way that

I know that they are built in a way that I know that they are built in a way that can actually help for customer

can actually help for customer can actually help for customer relationship and ret

relationship and ret relationship and ret but do you think that we're actually but do you think that we're actually but do you think that we're actually missing this cuz the program software

missing this cuz the program software missing this cuz the program software doesn't have CRM built into it most of

doesn't have CRM built into it most of doesn't have CRM built into it most of the time so there must be a market uh

the time so there must be a market uh the time so there must be a market uh for that there are like some guys that

for that there are like some guys that for that there are like some guys that are building at the moment a CRM system

are building at the moment a CRM system are building at the moment a CRM system especially for this for this market so

especially for this for this market so especially for this for this market so there must be a need for this but it's

there must be a need for this but it's there must be a need for this but it's called toola they were also on the

called toola they were also on the called toola they were also on the threee world so I make now a lot of

threee world so I make now a lot of threee world so I make now a lot of shout outs to all the old homies of me

shout outs to all the old homies of me shout outs to all the old homies of me yeah but they are building a CRM system

yeah but they are building a CRM system yeah but they are building a CRM system for that because they saw the need I

for that because they saw the need I for that because they saw the need I have not seen it inside no no docment on

have not seen it inside no no docment on have not seen it inside no no docment on the quality we had a CRM system in the

the quality we had a CRM system in the the quality we had a CRM system in the very first company I was that was like

very first company I was that was like very first company I was that was like extremely basic so you could just make

extremely basic so you could just make extremely basic so you could just make notes about the affiliate and that's it

notes about the affiliate and that's it notes about the affiliate and that's it and over the years we were trying like

and over the years we were trying like and over the years we were trying like sales force as well but it was too

sales force as well but it was too sales force as well but it was too complex now in Masters in cash we have

complex now in Masters in cash we have complex now in Masters in cash we have Soo what I'm not such a big fan of so

Soo what I'm not such a big fan of so Soo what I'm not such a big fan of so what I use myself for afal and what I

what I use myself for afal and what I what I use myself for afal and what I also set up around three times for

also set up around three times for also set up around three times for Giants is something called podium

Giants is something called podium Giants is something called podium what I like about polio is that it's so

what I like about polio is that it's so what I like about polio is that it's so easy to customize and it has a look and

easy to customize and it has a look and easy to customize and it has a look and feel of Facebook because it's also very

feel of Facebook because it's also very feel of Facebook because it's also very hard to force a B8 manag just to to use

hard to force a B8 manag just to to use hard to force a B8 manag just to to use a CRM if they have never done that

a CRM if they have never done that a CRM if they have never done that before so when you want that they use it

before so when you want that they use it before so when you want that they use it you don't want to have something super

you don't want to have something super you don't want to have something super complex you want to have something that

complex you want to have something that complex you want to have something that looks and feels like a tour or a system

looks and feels like a tour or a system looks and feels like a tour or a system they are familiar with so that's why I

they are familiar with so that's why I they are familiar with so that's why I use B you it takes me around half an

use B you it takes me around half an use B you it takes me around half an hour to configure it exactly like I want

hour to configure it exactly like I want hour to configure it exactly like I want and for sales are Maybe like other tools

and for sales are Maybe like other tools and for sales are Maybe like other tools on the market that are stronger but for

on the market that are stronger but for on the market that are stronger but for re maintaining a partnership it's in my

re maintaining a partnership it's in my re maintaining a partnership it's in my opinion the best thing to do and you

opinion the best thing to do and you opinion the best thing to do and you have a really easy task management

have a really easy task management have a really easy task management system for every affiliate you have the

system for every affiliate you have the system for every affiliate you have the task management for yourself where you

task management for yourself where you task management for yourself where you can use it you create any field that you

can use it you create any field that you can use it you create any field that you want and you can uh put multiple filters

want and you can uh put multiple filters want and you can uh put multiple filters within a few seconds so for example you

within a few seconds so for example you within a few seconds so for example you can through the directly every affiliate

can through the directly every affiliate can through the directly every affiliate that has traffic in UK and is in lead

that has traffic in UK and is in lead that has traffic in UK and is in lead generation and is at the moment not

generation and is at the moment not generation and is at the moment not active and requested API access when you

active and requested API access when you active and requested API access when you get API access maybe to your program you

get API access maybe to your program you get API access maybe to your program you press a button and it gives you a list

press a button and it gives you a list press a button and it gives you a list and imagine some theate manager reaches

and imagine some theate manager reaches and imagine some theate manager reaches out to you and said hey John one year

out to you and said hey John one year out to you and said hey John one year ago you wanted to have API we didn't

ago you wanted to have API we didn't ago you wanted to have API we didn't have that but now we offer it is to

have that but now we offer it is to have that but now we offer it is to still anyen one you will say this guy is

still anyen one you will say this guy is still anyen one you will say this guy is really professional because the others

really professional because the others really professional because the others will just tell you like hey John you

will just tell you like hey John you will just tell you like hey John you have no traffic for me but this guy

have no traffic for me but this guy have no traffic for me but this guy really has everything noted down and the

really has everything noted down and the really has everything noted down and the good thing is he don't have to check all

good thing is he don't have to check all good thing is he don't have to check all the notes once per month so so to see

the notes once per month so so to see the notes once per month so so to see hey what is sticking now you have a

hey what is sticking now you have a hey what is sticking now you have a request he puts it in the CRM system

request he puts it in the CRM system request he puts it in the CRM system when something new is coming into the

when something new is coming into the when something new is coming into the company he presses one button and it

company he presses one button and it company he presses one button and it lists him everybody that requested did

lists him everybody that requested did lists him everybody that requested did refering I agree so that was a question

refering I agree so that was a question refering I agree so that was a question that started on the CRM side I don't

that started on the CRM side I don't that started on the CRM side I don't think there's a lot of really good serum

think there's a lot of really good serum think there's a lot of really good serum tools natively for affiliate marketers

tools natively for affiliate marketers tools natively for affiliate marketers or affiliate managers now I want to f to

or affiliate managers now I want to f to or affiliate managers now I want to f to the other side and go what do you think the other side and go what do you think the other side and go what do you think about business intelligence tools I

about business intelligence tools I about business intelligence tools I think a lot of affiliate program think a lot of affiliate program think a lot of affiliate program software doesn't have bi built in

software doesn't have bi built in software doesn't have bi built in natively and on the other side with tub

natively and on the other side with tub natively and on the other side with tub spot in Salesforce on the bi side you've

spot in Salesforce on the bi side you've spot in Salesforce on the bi side you've got your standards powerbi Tableau

got your standards powerbi Tableau got your standards powerbi Tableau looker Studio do you think there's going

looker Studio do you think there's going looker Studio do you think there's going to be another future where we're going to be another future where we're going to be another future where we're going to see some of these tools that are

to see some of these tools that are to see some of these tools that are built inside for maybe Affiliates and

built inside for maybe Affiliates and built inside for maybe Affiliates and affiliate managers yeah he was with you

affiliate managers yeah he was with you affiliate managers yeah he was with you already in in the podcast as well and

already in in the podcast as well and already in in the podcast as well and it's the guy is practically a little bit

it's the guy is practically a little bit it's the guy is practically a little bit like my like my like my M hashtag no but really when it comes to

M hashtag no but really when it comes to M hashtag no but really when it comes to when it comes to all the data related

when it comes to all the data related when it comes to all the data related stuff this is Christian from with

stuff this is Christian from with stuff this is Christian from with analytica and I had like a glimpse on

analytica and I had like a glimpse on analytica and I had like a glimpse on the tools that he is building and it is

the tools that he is building and it is the tools that he is building and it is really needed and we for example we used

really needed and we for example we used really needed and we for example we used a FES in our company and this morning I

a FES in our company and this morning I a FES in our company and this morning I had a situation where I had to filter

had a situation where I had to filter had a situation where I had to filter practically every affiliate that is

practically every affiliate that is practically every affiliate that is sending us beside a few guys that have

sending us beside a few guys that have sending us beside a few guys that have like other deals it gives me not the

like other deals it gives me not the like other deals it gives me not the option to make this negative

option to make this negative option to make this negative selection and most programs are lacking

selection and most programs are lacking selection and most programs are lacking this kind of stuff and this is just the

this kind of stuff and this is just the this kind of stuff and this is just the affiliate management but when you have

affiliate management but when you have affiliate management but when you have then additionally also the data from the

then additionally also the data from the then additionally also the data from the product it gets really complicated so at

product it gets really complicated so at product it gets really complicated so at the moment you have to have a own team

the moment you have to have a own team the moment you have to have a own team that knows all this kind of stuff and

that knows all this kind of stuff and that knows all this kind of stuff and knows things about databases and how to

knows things about databases and how to knows things about databases and how to set it up and it's complex and it's

set it up and it's complex and it's set it up and it's complex and it's expensive but I think it makes makes the

expensive but I think it makes makes the expensive but I think it makes makes the money back on a long term but I know

money back on a long term but I know money back on a long term but I know there are a lot of companies that are

there are a lot of companies that are there are a lot of companies that are not using anything like this at all they

not using anything like this at all they not using anything like this at all they work around a little bit with Excel file

work around a little bit with Excel file work around a little bit with Excel file here they work a little bit around with

here they work a little bit around with here they work a little bit around with Google Sheets there and this is not this

Google Sheets there and this is not this Google Sheets there and this is not this is not business intelligence you have to

is not business intelligence you have to is not business intelligence you have to analyze practically everything that is

analyze practically everything that is analyze practically everything that is happening in the user Journey where you

happening in the user Journey where you happening in the user Journey where you use where you lose the most users where

use where you lose the most users where use where you lose the most users where they are buying when you make AB testing

they are buying when you make AB testing they are buying when you make AB testing what is working what is not working what

what is working what is not working what what is working what is not working what landing pages are working for the

landing pages are working for the landing pages are working for the affiliate but also for you that's

affiliate but also for you that's affiliate but also for you that's another important question you give an

another important question you give an another important question you give an Affiliated a landing page works super

Affiliated a landing page works super Affiliated a landing page works super good for them but nobody of the uses is

good for them but nobody of the uses is good for them but nobody of the uses is buying then afterwards you have to track

buying then afterwards you have to track buying then afterwards you have to track that all down if he is sending to 10

that all down if he is sending to 10 that all down if he is sending to 10 different landing pages you are maybe

different landing pages you are maybe different landing pages you are maybe not even spotting the one that is like

not even spotting the one that is like not even spotting the one that is like the biggest beer and you could increase

the biggest beer and you could increase the biggest beer and you could increase the affiliate payout in a way if you

the affiliate payout in a way if you the affiliate payout in a way if you would know all the kind of things that

would know all the kind of things that would know all the kind of things that the affiliate makes more you make more

the affiliate makes more you make more the affiliate makes more you make more and you cut this landing page that is at

and you cut this landing page that is at and you cut this landing page that is at the moment the most successful one for the moment the most successful one for the moment the most successful one for the affiliate but uses half of the

the affiliate but uses half of the the affiliate but uses half of the traffic and this is again then uh back

traffic and this is again then uh back traffic and this is again then uh back to the situation um that the market can

to the situation um that the market can to the situation um that the market can double with proper ofc management but

double with proper ofc management but double with proper ofc management but there's nothing that you can do by hand

there's nothing that you can do by hand there's nothing that you can do by hand anymore for this you need tools for this

anymore for this you need tools for this anymore for this you need tools for this un need AI for this you need big data

un need AI for this you need big data un need AI for this you need big data that you are analyzing so I think it's

that you are analyzing so I think it's that you are analyzing so I think it's for companies that are a bit smaller and

for companies that are a bit smaller and for companies that are a bit smaller and cannot afford this setup quite cannot afford this setup quite cannot afford this setup quite challenging in the future or they are

challenging in the future or they are challenging in the future or they are using tools that are like sof related

using tools that are like sof related using tools that are like sof related that can give them this information yeah

that can give them this information yeah that can give them this information yeah I remember asking a lot of affiliate

I remember asking a lot of affiliate I remember asking a lot of affiliate Manors going do you know the conversion

Manors going do you know the conversion Manors going do you know the conversion rate of your landing pages and

rate of your landing pages and rate of your landing pages and unfortunately most of them said yes and

unfortunately most of them said yes and unfortunately most of them said yes and I said okay great so my second question

I said okay great so my second question I said okay great so my second question to them is two parts would you like a

to them is two parts would you like a to them is two parts would you like a conversion rate audit after so when I

conversion rate audit after so when I conversion rate audit after so when I was getting yes to both questions that

was getting yes to both questions that was getting yes to both questions that doesn't make sense because if you do the doesn't make sense because if you do the doesn't make sense because if you do the conversion rate of your landing pages

conversion rate of your landing pages conversion rate of your landing pages you wouldn't want to audit after and I

you wouldn't want to audit after and I you wouldn't want to audit after and I actually believe that most affiliate actually believe that most affiliate actually believe that most affiliate managers and operations they actually

managers and operations they actually managers and operations they actually don't even know they're not even looking

don't even know they're not even looking don't even know they're not even looking at the conversion right data because we

at the conversion right data because we at the conversion right data because we know that not only you have your

know that not only you have your know that not only you have your conversion rates when you make changes

conversion rates when you make changes conversion rates when you make changes to your pages conversion rate is not a

to your pages conversion rate is not a to your pages conversion rate is not a standard thing that just is like a

standard thing that just is like a standard thing that just is like a straight line it changes over time and

straight line it changes over time and straight line it changes over time and it could change for good or bad reasons

it could change for good or bad reasons it could change for good or bad reasons I actually believe that there's a a

I actually believe that there's a a I actually believe that there's a a whole other space of optimization on

whole other space of optimization on whole other space of optimization on Just landing pages alone that also needs

Just landing pages alone that also needs Just landing pages alone that also needs to come from the V8s to speak a little

to come from the V8s to speak a little to come from the V8s to speak a little bit about them I stay still in hundreds

bit about them I stay still in hundreds bit about them I stay still in hundreds of chats from the Masters in cash

of chats from the Masters in cash of chats from the Masters in cash Affiliates and our

Affiliates and our Affiliates and our managers and when you onboard somebody

managers and when you onboard somebody managers and when you onboard somebody you often the biggest question is what

you often the biggest question is what you often the biggest question is what is your best performing offer what is

is your best performing offer what is is your best performing offer what is your best performing landing page and

your best performing landing page and your best performing landing page and this is like all landing pages this is

this is like all landing pages this is this is like all landing pages this is like a very useless question because the

like a very useless question because the like a very useless question because the best landing pages that we have are

best landing pages that we have are best landing pages that we have are usually from the review sites and from

usually from the review sites and from usually from the review sites and from the mailers but if you are like a media

the mailers but if you are like a media the mailers but if you are like a media buyer sending like the cheapest top

buyer sending like the cheapest top buyer sending like the cheapest top traffic this landing pages will not work

traffic this landing pages will not work traffic this landing pages will not work out for you and additionally to this if

out for you and additionally to this if out for you and additionally to this if we give them to you out of the sudden we

we give them to you out of the sudden we we give them to you out of the sudden we have 10 times more traffic there but

have 10 times more traffic there but have 10 times more traffic there but like 100 times lower conversion rates of

like 100 times lower conversion rates of like 100 times lower conversion rates of this laming cases will also look for us

this laming cases will also look for us this laming cases will also look for us out of the Su bad so Discretions have to

out of the Su bad so Discretions have to out of the Su bad so Discretions have to come from all sides

come from all sides come from all sides but here's the problem also that the

but here's the problem also that the but here's the problem also that the Affiliates itself have changed a lot

Affiliates itself have changed a lot Affiliates itself have changed a lot from these individual guys that were

from these individual guys that were from these individual guys that were like maybe 15 20 years ago building like

like maybe 15 20 years ago building like like maybe 15 20 years ago building like cop pages and then it developed into

cop pages and then it developed into cop pages and then it developed into smartlink networks and now we have a

smartlink networks and now we have a smartlink networks and now we have a gigantic amount of Affiliates that are

gigantic amount of Affiliates that are gigantic amount of Affiliates that are like media buying groups two 300 media

like media buying groups two 300 media like media buying groups two 300 media buyers so the person that is speaking

buyers so the person that is speaking buyers so the person that is speaking with you is not even knowing something

with you is not even knowing something with you is not even knowing something about media buying it's just like a

about media buying it's just like a about media buying it's just like a representative of the company that is

representative of the company that is representative of the company that is asking the wrong question so the

asking the wrong question so the asking the wrong question so the training that we speak about for the

training that we speak about for the training that we speak about for the affiliate managers should be also done

affiliate managers should be also done affiliate managers should be also done for the account managers that are on a

for the account managers that are on a for the account managers that are on a different position like um Advertiser

different position like um Advertiser different position like um Advertiser manager and if they ask the right

manager and if they ask the right manager and if they ask the right question the affiliate manager can also

question the affiliate manager can also question the affiliate manager can also give the right answer and even if the if

give the right answer and even if the if give the right answer and even if the if one of them is not that experienced but

one of them is not that experienced but one of them is not that experienced but the other is super experienced this

the other is super experienced this the other is super experienced this problem is maybe also solved because if

problem is maybe also solved because if problem is maybe also solved because if the advertise manager is super

the advertise manager is super the advertise manager is super experienced the figure manager is a newb

experienced the figure manager is a newb experienced the figure manager is a newb and says okay I have mailing traffic

and says okay I have mailing traffic and says okay I have mailing traffic what you recommend me for mailing

what you recommend me for mailing what you recommend me for mailing traffic the affiliate manager is

traffic the affiliate manager is traffic the affiliate manager is hopefully not that dupid and gives like

hopefully not that dupid and gives like hopefully not that dupid and gives like just the best conversion rate will

just the best conversion rate will just the best conversion rate will really check what is working with

really check what is working with really check what is working with mailing traffic and on the other hand if

mailing traffic and on the other hand if mailing traffic and on the other hand if the account manager is not experience

the account manager is not experience the account manager is not experience but the affiliate manager is like an OG

but the affiliate manager is like an OG but the affiliate manager is like an OG it says okay best landing P offer what

it says okay best landing P offer what it says okay best landing P offer what type of traffic you even have yeah we

type of traffic you even have yeah we type of traffic you even have yeah we are specialized in pop traffic ah okay

are specialized in pop traffic ah okay are specialized in pop traffic ah okay for this we have this very simple thing

for this we have this very simple thing for this we have this very simple thing that is like Blinky your something like

that is like Blinky your something like that is like Blinky your something like this like really attention catching you

this like really attention catching you this like really attention catching you should use something like this and then

should use something like this and then should use something like this and then it's working and then you have a it's working and then you have a it's working and then you have a fruitful fruitful fruitful partnership and you mentioned something

partnership and you mentioned something partnership and you mentioned something there about the different types of there about the different types of there about the different types of traffic like you've got the media buyers

traffic like you've got the media buyers traffic like you've got the media buyers which is high volume and the conversion

which is high volume and the conversion which is high volume and the conversion rate could be variable then you have

rate could be variable then you have rate could be variable then you have like reviews which are maybe lower

like reviews which are maybe lower like reviews which are maybe lower volume but High uh conversion and my

volume but High uh conversion and my volume but High uh conversion and my experience in trying to build going from

experience in trying to build going from experience in trying to build going from an affili company to ass SAS company is

an affili company to ass SAS company is an affili company to ass SAS company is bottom of funnel content like stat drone

bottom of funnel content like stat drone bottom of funnel content like stat drone alternatives to stat stone ststone

alternatives to stat stone ststone alternatives to stat stone ststone versus our competitors and so we've been

versus our competitors and so we've been versus our competitors and so we've been building up this content do you think

building up this content do you think building up this content do you think that affiliate programs could share

that affiliate programs could share that affiliate programs could share these insights or should they be more

these insights or should they be more these insights or should they be more proactive at saying hey we're looking proactive at saying hey we're looking proactive at saying hey we're looking for more of this content and and it

for more of this content and and it for more of this content and and it needs to come from your side I just

needs to come from your side I just needs to come from your side I just think this is a massive missed

think this is a massive missed think this is a massive missed opportunity so we have this in in two

opportunity so we have this in in two opportunity so we have this in in two situations The Situation Number One is

situations The Situation Number One is situations The Situation Number One is the review site that you are already

the review site that you are already the review site that you are already saying they expect us to give them the

saying they expect us to give them the saying they expect us to give them the review practically and it has to be in

review practically and it has to be in review practically and it has to be in the language that they are running it of

the language that they are running it of the language that they are running it of course that is something tricky we are

course that is something tricky we are course that is something tricky we are extremely strong in Slovenia that's from

extremely strong in Slovenia that's from extremely strong in Slovenia that's from Roi Wise It's for us like a gold M but

Roi Wise It's for us like a gold M but Roi Wise It's for us like a gold M but this a small country and you have to

this a small country and you have to this a small country and you have to find somebody that is translating the

find somebody that is translating the find somebody that is translating the stuff then to slum because if you use de

stuff then to slum because if you use de stuff then to slum because if you use de or something like this comes out some

or something like this comes out some or something like this comes out some trash and you came out I would not even

trash and you came out I would not even trash and you came out I would not even say compete with the competition because

say compete with the competition because say compete with the competition because there's barly competition for us in

there's barly competition for us in there's barly competition for us in Slovenia but then the users are not

Slovenia but then the users are not Slovenia but then the users are not converting and the prices are too high

converting and the prices are too high converting and the prices are too high to send the traffic on the review side

to send the traffic on the review side to send the traffic on the review side or they can use the the seal traffic

or they can use the the seal traffic or they can use the the seal traffic they have in a different way so that's

they have in a different way so that's they have in a different way so that's already one thing where we have to where

already one thing where we have to where already one thing where we have to where we have to give out the content the

we have to give out the content the we have to give out the content the other content what we have like reest is

other content what we have like reest is other content what we have like reest is like Co Affiliates that are saying like

like Co Affiliates that are saying like like Co Affiliates that are saying like Okay we want to rank better for you but

Okay we want to rank better for you but Okay we want to rank better for you but we need like profiles and we need like

we need like profiles and we need like we need like profiles and we need like other Affiliates that are giving us

other Affiliates that are giving us other Affiliates that are giving us backlinks so you are connecting them

backlinks so you are connecting them backlinks so you are connecting them with other groups of Affiliates and

with other groups of Affiliates and with other groups of Affiliates and together they are ranking up for you

together they are ranking up for you together they are ranking up for you these are the things where I see mostly

these are the things where I see mostly these are the things where I see mostly content requests from us and one other

content requests from us and one other content requests from us and one other thing that is maybe not content but more

thing that is maybe not content but more thing that is maybe not content but more promo tools if you have new aat

promo tools if you have new aat promo tools if you have new aat especially that are mailers they usually

especially that are mailers they usually especially that are mailers they usually expect you that you provide templates

expect you that you provide templates expect you that you provide templates this is something I can say now from

this is something I can say now from this is something I can say now from from our experience and the reason for

from our experience and the reason for from our experience and the reason for this is if you are like starting new to

this is if you are like starting new to this is if you are like starting new to work with them they don't want to put an

work with them they don't want to put an work with them they don't want to put an effort into it so if you say okay can

effort into it so if you say okay can effort into it so if you say okay can you get email lists for let's put

you get email lists for let's put you get email lists for let's put Slovenia as well

Slovenia as well Slovenia as well they don't want to test Slovenia and

they don't want to test Slovenia and they don't want to test Slovenia and find now a translator themsel to

find now a translator themsel to find now a translator themsel to translate their templates for this small

translate their templates for this small translate their templates for this small market and not even knowing if Masters

market and not even knowing if Masters market and not even knowing if Masters in cash is a good company maybe we

in cash is a good company maybe we in cash is a good company maybe we convert bad maybe we don't pay out there

convert bad maybe we don't pay out there convert bad maybe we don't pay out there are many reasons why in not to work with

are many reasons why in not to work with are many reasons why in not to work with somebody that later on so why to put on

somebody that later on so why to put on somebody that later on so why to put on effort when you already put money and

effort when you already put money and effort when you already put money and work so they expect you that you give

work so they expect you that you give work so they expect you that you give them the templates when it's a new them the templates when it's a new them the templates when it's a new partnership if he sends ALB the epcs two

partnership if he sends ALB the epcs two partnership if he sends ALB the epcs two in Slovenia the guy will hi are an

in Slovenia the guy will hi are an in Slovenia the guy will hi are an internal person just from Slovenia to

internal person just from Slovenia to internal person just from Slovenia to translate it but not in the first step

translate it but not in the first step translate it but not in the first step so they are expecting that from you as

so they are expecting that from you as so they are expecting that from you as well yeah this was usful at taking some

well yeah this was usful at taking some well yeah this was usful at taking some notes and this is going to go into a notes and this is going to go into a notes and this is going to go into a future article pivoting because we both

future article pivoting because we both future article pivoting because we both do podcasting I wrote an article and

do podcasting I wrote an article and do podcasting I wrote an article and published it today about how to help an

published it today about how to help an published it today about how to help an affiliate stand up from the crowd in a

affiliate stand up from the crowd in a affiliate stand up from the crowd in a very competitive Nissan I gaming and

very competitive Nissan I gaming and very competitive Nissan I gaming and basically said here's what I think would

basically said here's what I think would basically said here's what I think would be a good go to market strategy for

be a good go to market strategy for be a good go to market strategy for building a a podcast for an affiliate

building a a podcast for an affiliate building a a podcast for an affiliate site but more importantly how to

site but more importantly how to site but more importantly how to basically become number one in an

basically become number one in an basically become number one in an alternative traffic so Google's super

alternative traffic so Google's super alternative traffic so Google's super saturated SEO sites are everywhere and I

saturated SEO sites are everywhere and I saturated SEO sites are everywhere and I actually think uh podcasting is another

actually think uh podcasting is another actually think uh podcasting is another Channel where people can get to connect

Channel where people can get to connect Channel where people can get to connect with you build trust so what's your take

with you build trust so what's your take with you build trust so what's your take on podcasts as a channel for affiliate

on podcasts as a channel for affiliate on podcasts as a channel for affiliate marketing for you mean to to make sales

marketing for you mean to to make sales marketing for you mean to to make sales or to just bring your name out sales

or to just bring your name out sales or to just bring your name out sales first but the secondary benefit is you

first but the secondary benefit is you first but the secondary benefit is you definitely build your name out too maybe

definitely build your name out too maybe definitely build your name out too maybe I cannot say too much about the podcast

I cannot say too much about the podcast I cannot say too much about the podcast to make the sales as an affiliate I know

to make the sales as an affiliate I know to make the sales as an affiliate I know it's used for S Solutions and so on a

it's used for S Solutions and so on a it's used for S Solutions and so on a lot of the S Solutions are putting now a

lot of the S Solutions are putting now a lot of the S Solutions are putting now a lot of focus on content marketing and

lot of focus on content marketing and lot of focus on content marketing and podcasts I I'm invited to so many

podcasts I I'm invited to so many podcasts I I'm invited to so many podcasts just because out of the sudden

podcasts just because out of the sudden podcasts just because out of the sudden there are so many I've enjoyed them all

there are so many I've enjoyed them all there are so many I've enjoyed them all but the most I enjoy them when somebody

but the most I enjoy them when somebody but the most I enjoy them when somebody has like a different approach like you

has like a different approach like you has like a different approach like you we speak here now on a very high level

we speak here now on a very high level we speak here now on a very high level of affiliate management so it's very

of affiliate management so it's very of affiliate management so it's very interesting for me so this is this is of

interesting for me so this is this is of interesting for me so this is this is of course one course one course one to use to sell s Solutions if you

to use to sell s Solutions if you to use to sell s Solutions if you podcast and you invite people there that

podcast and you invite people there that podcast and you invite people there that are are experts so another thing is of

are are experts so another thing is of are are experts so another thing is of course if you have like podcasters and

course if you have like podcasters and course if you have like podcasters and streamers and people that are making

streamers and people that are making streamers and people that are making shorts and so on and they are marketing

shorts and so on and they are marketing shorts and so on and they are marketing your affiliate offers that's of course

your affiliate offers that's of course your affiliate offers that's of course an a completely different story that you

an a completely different story that you an a completely different story that you use three as an affiliate marketing tool

use three as an affiliate marketing tool use three as an affiliate marketing tool there are even a lot of igaming

there are even a lot of igaming there are even a lot of igaming companies that are fully focusing on

companies that are fully focusing on companies that are fully focusing on this influencers and the streamers and

this influencers and the streamers and this influencers and the streamers and so on and they make traffic from this if

so on and they make traffic from this if so on and they make traffic from this if you are in affiliate marketing and you

you are in affiliate marketing and you you are in affiliate marketing and you want to build your brand and maybe sell

want to build your brand and maybe sell want to build your brand and maybe sell your sof Solutions or your uh you use

your sof Solutions or your uh you use your sof Solutions or your uh you use the podcast people are watching it and

the podcast people are watching it and the podcast people are watching it and say hey John is like a good guy this St

say hey John is like a good guy this St say hey John is like a good guy this St St must be like a cool tool so I look

St must be like a cool tool so I look St must be like a cool tool so I look into that or so that is one way other

into that or so that is one way other into that or so that is one way other are watching my stuff and they say okay

are watching my stuff and they say okay are watching my stuff and they say okay the guy knows a thing or two I buy his

the guy knows a thing or two I buy his the guy knows a thing or two I buy his book I sell not a lot of books because

book I sell not a lot of books because book I sell not a lot of books because it's a very Niche but I sell books over

it's a very Niche but I sell books over it's a very Niche but I sell books over the podcast I said consultancies about

the podcast I said consultancies about the podcast I said consultancies about it I buil practically the entire

it I buil practically the entire it I buil practically the entire recruitment business out of that also

recruitment business out of that also recruitment business out of that also the girls that I have in the gy I

the girls that I have in the gy I the girls that I have in the gy I motivate them that they are recording

motivate them that they are recording motivate them that they are recording here and there some shorts it's not

here and there some shorts it's not here and there some shorts it's not podcasting yet but I want that they are

podcasting yet but I want that they are podcasting yet but I want that they are recognizable because in this Industries

recognizable because in this Industries recognizable because in this Industries one of our trust uh one person has to

one of our trust uh one person has to one of our trust uh one person has to trust the other you either are like

trust the other you either are like trust the other you either are like prepaid then the advertiser or network

prepaid then the advertiser or network prepaid then the advertiser or network has to trust you or you are paid uh

has to trust you or you are paid uh has to trust you or you are paid uh later on and then you have to trust the

later on and then you have to trust the later on and then you have to trust the person that is paying you the Network or

person that is paying you the Network or person that is paying you the Network or The Advertiser so when it's just like an

The Advertiser so when it's just like an The Advertiser so when it's just like an unom person it's a different story than

unom person it's a different story than unom person it's a different story than if you have somebody that has 20

if you have somebody that has 20 if you have somebody that has 20 podcasts out there it would be for me

podcasts out there it would be for me podcasts out there it would be for me let's say I can cheat somebody for

let's say I can cheat somebody for let's say I can cheat somebody for €100,000 it would not be worth to

€100,000 it would not be worth to €100,000 it would not be worth to destroy my brand for 100,000 if I would

destroy my brand for 100,000 if I would destroy my brand for 100,000 if I would be just an unim person it would be worse

be just an unim person it would be worse be just an unim person it would be worse to cheat somebody for to cheat somebody for to cheat somebody for €1,000 so people trust me just because

€1,000 so people trust me just because €1,000 so people trust me just because they know that I will not play around

they know that I will not play around they know that I will not play around due to the publicity that I build and I

due to the publicity that I build and I due to the publicity that I build and I can recommend ComEd to everybody I had a

can recommend ComEd to everybody I had a can recommend ComEd to everybody I had a few guys that I motivated to make casts

few guys that I motivated to make casts few guys that I motivated to make casts as well and it never took off I think

as well and it never took off I think as well and it never took off I think but it was making me quite happy to see

but it was making me quite happy to see but it was making me quite happy to see some of these guys trying something yeah

some of these guys trying something yeah some of these guys trying something yeah I what you said there to me resonated

I what you said there to me resonated I what you said there to me resonated because if you're an affiliate manager

because if you're an affiliate manager because if you're an affiliate manager and you're doing like these YouTube

and you're doing like these YouTube and you're doing like these YouTube shorts or shorts or shorts or Instagram I think it only helps because

Instagram I think it only helps because Instagram I think it only helps because think about how much it compounds over

think about how much it compounds over think about how much it compounds over time hey you now see that person in the

time hey you now see that person in the time hey you now see that person in the conference because you happen to follow

conference because you happen to follow conference because you happen to follow their Instagram page and even if they're

their Instagram page and even if they're their Instagram page and even if they're making silly videos that like more

making silly videos that like more making silly videos that like more comical and humor you can choose your go

comical and humor you can choose your go comical and humor you can choose your go to market whether it's I'm going to to market whether it's I'm going to to market whether it's I'm going to either be educational or humor and

either be educational or humor and either be educational or humor and entertainment but I think the stuff

entertainment but I think the stuff entertainment but I think the stuff extends to LinkedIn I think these things

extends to LinkedIn I think these things extends to LinkedIn I think these things add up it's uh it's the way to

add up it's uh it's the way to add up it's uh it's the way to differentiate so it's you're not just a

differentiate so it's you're not just a differentiate so it's you're not just a name or an email you're like more of a

name or an email you're like more of a name or an email you're like more of a yeah person and then their Outreach when

yeah person and then their Outreach when yeah person and then their Outreach when I actually do Outreach and send a

I actually do Outreach and send a I actually do Outreach and send a message to you you're going to have a

message to you you're going to have a message to you you're going to have a stronger connection without having made

stronger connection without having made stronger connection without having made the effort you you gave me now another

the effort you you gave me now another the effort you you gave me now another thing to uh comment on you said hey they

thing to uh comment on you said hey they thing to uh comment on you said hey they have to it's good when they are out no

have to it's good when they are out no have to it's good when they are out no matter if it's commet or educational

matter if it's commet or educational matter if it's commet or educational everything helps but what I think is

everything helps but what I think is everything helps but what I think is often a bit annoying and often a bit annoying and often a bit annoying and counterproductive people are trying to

counterproductive people are trying to counterproductive people are trying to put out a piece of content and it's so

put out a piece of content and it's so put out a piece of content and it's so basic so these are the trends for 20025

basic so these are the trends for 20025 basic so these are the trends for 20025 in a few marketing number one network

in a few marketing number one network in a few marketing number one network number B educate yourself number c know

number B educate yourself number c know number B educate yourself number c know the market so it's too basy you have to

the market so it's too basy you have to the market so it's too basy you have to put a little bit more effort in come up

put a little bit more effort in come up put a little bit more effort in come up with stuff that that the people are not

with stuff that that the people are not with stuff that that the people are not aware of otherwise you will get a lot of

aware of otherwise you will get a lot of aware of otherwise you will get a lot of comments from the link inputs um

comments from the link inputs um comments from the link inputs um yesterday I posted a few new roles that

yesterday I posted a few new roles that yesterday I posted a few new roles that we had in the system and I got out of

we had in the system and I got out of we had in the system and I got out of the S

the S the S mob comments there from people that I

mob comments there from people that I mob comments there from people that I have not even a second connection a

have not even a second connection a have not even a second connection a third connection and it was just an ey

third connection and it was just an ey third connection and it was just an ey that was repeating what I already wrote

that was repeating what I already wrote that was repeating what I already wrote there when I made like a sophisticated

there when I made like a sophisticated there when I made like a sophisticated post these Bots are not reacting to it

post these Bots are not reacting to it post these Bots are not reacting to it because they can even digested so it

because they can even digested so it because they can even digested so it shows me how how how inflated this

shows me how how how inflated this shows me how how how inflated this industry is often with their uh

industry is often with their uh industry is often with their uh knowledge that they are sharing and I

knowledge that they are sharing and I knowledge that they are sharing and I think then you better make just posts of

think then you better make just posts of think then you better make just posts of yourself and say see you in Malta see

yourself and say see you in Malta see yourself and say see you in Malta see you in Bangkok see you in Bina God knows

you in Bangkok see you in Bina God knows you in Bangkok see you in Bina God knows where you are going and the people just

where you are going and the people just where you are going and the people just see your face before you just repeat

see your face before you just repeat see your face before you just repeat something that everybody knows because

something that everybody knows because something that everybody knows because nobody likes to hear the same uh story

nobody likes to hear the same uh story nobody likes to hear the same uh story over and over again that's a great point

over and over again that's a great point over and over again that's a great point it's either be funny be entertaining or

it's either be funny be entertaining or it's either be funny be entertaining or be super insightful but don't be in the

be super insightful but don't be in the be super insightful but don't be in the middle middle middle yeah and tell us about the recruitment

yeah and tell us about the recruitment yeah and tell us about the recruitment work you do for apal I know this is a

work you do for apal I know this is a work you do for apal I know this is a big part of what apal is set out for

big part of what apal is set out for big part of what apal is set out for yeah I'm uh very blessed here with with

yeah I'm uh very blessed here with with yeah I'm uh very blessed here with with a super strong team in the meantime are

a super strong team in the meantime are a super strong team in the meantime are four people involved in uh a because

four people involved in uh a because four people involved in uh a because it's Masters in cash is a lot to do with

it's Masters in cash is a lot to do with it's Masters in cash is a lot to do with Just Launch the US and a lot of other

Just Launch the US and a lot of other Just Launch the US and a lot of other things so it's put to hand all stuff in

things so it's put to hand all stuff in things so it's put to hand all stuff in trusted hands it started all like this

trusted hands it started all like this trusted hands it started all like this that I I became quite like an a person

that I I became quite like an a person that I I became quite like an a person that catch attention in Industry through

that catch attention in Industry through that catch attention in Industry through all the speeches andol with conferences

all the speeches andol with conferences all the speeches andol with conferences I attend up to 25 conferences per year

I attend up to 25 conferences per year I attend up to 25 conferences per year and on most of them I speak so you get

and on most of them I speak so you get and on most of them I speak so you get some uh connections also the podcast so

some uh connections also the podcast so some uh connections also the podcast so people started to ask me for like jobs

people started to ask me for like jobs people started to ask me for like jobs or candidats and I connected the people

or candidats and I connected the people or candidats and I connected the people and I did it just to help and I was

and I did it just to help and I was and I did it just to help and I was happy of course if somebody starts to

happy of course if somebody starts to happy of course if somebody starts to work at a media buying company for

work at a media buying company for work at a media buying company for dating and I hit up this person hey

dating and I hit up this person hey dating and I hit up this person hey congrats to the new job by the way you

congrats to the new job by the way you congrats to the new job by the way you never sent to master in cash come on now

never sent to master in cash come on now never sent to master in cash come on now let's kick it off together and here is a

let's kick it off together and here is a let's kick it off together and here is a special campaign because we know each

special campaign because we know each special campaign because we know each other so for this it was helpful but

other so for this it was helpful but other so for this it was helpful but then it became more and more that

then it became more and more that then it became more and more that recruiters asked me also for contacts I

recruiters asked me also for contacts I recruiters asked me also for contacts I gave them the contact and they were

gave them the contact and they were gave them the contact and they were brokering the people and they were

brokering the people and they were brokering the people and they were earning a ton of money and nobody of

earning a ton of money and nobody of earning a ton of money and nobody of them offered me something like a

them offered me something like a them offered me something like a kickback or even to say hey on the next

kickback or even to say hey on the next kickback or even to say hey on the next conference I take you to a nice Sushi or

conference I take you to a nice Sushi or conference I take you to a nice Sushi or something like this when I found out how

something like this when I found out how something like this when I found out how much they made I asked for the next deal

much they made I asked for the next deal much they made I asked for the next deal to be IM so not even for the old stuff

to be IM so not even for the old stuff to be IM so not even for the old stuff because that I should have defined because that I should have defined because that I should have defined before nobody wanted to to give me

before nobody wanted to to give me before nobody wanted to to give me something so I said okay the next person

something so I said okay the next person something so I said okay the next person I would just ask for money and it went

I would just ask for money and it went I would just ask for money and it went from having three four people per month

from having three four people per month from having three four people per month that were requesting help and maybe two

that were requesting help and maybe two that were requesting help and maybe two companies into something that summed up

companies into something that summed up companies into something that summed up in the meantime to yeah we should be at

in the meantime to yeah we should be at in the meantime to yeah we should be at around 500 contacts that we have now in

around 500 contacts that we have now in around 500 contacts that we have now in the database plus around 2,260 on off

the database plus around 2,260 on off the database plus around 2,260 on off chops what is like a board from for

chops what is like a board from for chops what is like a board from for affiliate marketing jobs and this is

affiliate marketing jobs and this is affiliate marketing jobs and this is like extremely successful because a lot

like extremely successful because a lot like extremely successful because a lot of companies out there they started as

of companies out there they started as of companies out there they started as like one affiliate together with two

like one affiliate together with two like one affiliate together with two three friends and then they recruited

three friends and then they recruited three friends and then they recruited another friend and so on now their

another friend and so on now their another friend and so on now their company has 20 people and they cannot

company has 20 people and they cannot company has 20 people and they cannot recruit from their pool of friends recruit from their pool of friends recruit from their pool of friends anymore and they have no idea about how

anymore and they have no idea about how anymore and they have no idea about how to pay how to select the right person

to pay how to select the right person to pay how to select the right person and so so they prefer to Outsource it to

and so so they prefer to Outsource it to and so so they prefer to Outsource it to us pay something and then use this Intel

us pay something and then use this Intel us pay something and then use this Intel that we give them to make the right

that we give them to make the right that we give them to make the right decisions also if you have four people

decisions also if you have four people decisions also if you have four people that are focusing on that we have a

that are focusing on that we have a that are focusing on that we have a boost on I think this year we have on

boost on I think this year we have on boost on I think this year we have on four or five conferences a boost just

four or five conferences a boost just four or five conferences a boost just for the recruitment this gives you

for the recruitment this gives you for the recruitment this gives you access to completely new talents and new

access to completely new talents and new access to completely new talents and new companies that you would otherwise not

companies that you would otherwise not companies that you would otherwise not have then the job or a jobs where there

have then the job or a jobs where there have then the job or a jobs where there a partnership with the affiliate world

a partnership with the affiliate world a partnership with the affiliate world so the affiliate world is sending our

so the affiliate world is sending our so the affiliate world is sending our jobs in their newsletter from the

jobs in their newsletter from the jobs in their newsletter from the affiliate World forward it costs 10 20

affiliate World forward it costs 10 20 affiliate World forward it costs 10 20 30,000 media buyers so when you have an

30,000 media buyers so when you have an 30,000 media buyers so when you have an open open open now we have a new partnership with the

now we have a new partnership with the now we have a new partnership with the native Hub so everything that the search

native Hub so everything that the search native Hub so everything that the search Arbitrage and Native is going over them

Arbitrage and Native is going over them Arbitrage and Native is going over them you cannot do that as another company

you cannot do that as another company you cannot do that as another company and uh we give them all choices they

and uh we give them all choices they and uh we give them all choices they either in make an advertising on a chops

either in make an advertising on a chops either in make an advertising on a chops and they pay us a onetime fee and they

and they pay us a onetime fee and they and they pay us a onetime fee and they get maybe 30 candidats they can do with

get maybe 30 candidats they can do with get maybe 30 candidats they can do with them whatever they want this is if you

them whatever they want this is if you them whatever they want this is if you have a bigger company usually and you

have a bigger company usually and you have a bigger company usually and you have your own HR or they hire us and

have your own HR or they hire us and have your own HR or they hire us and they pay us a fee once it's a successful

they pay us a fee once it's a successful they pay us a fee once it's a successful deal and this is going like super

deal and this is going like super deal and this is going like super successful I think in 20 24 we will end

successful I think in 20 24 we will end successful I think in 20 24 we will end it with something like 40 50 deals that

it with something like 40 50 deals that it with something like 40 50 deals that we closed I guess that's your way of

we closed I guess that's your way of we closed I guess that's your way of making recruiters

making recruiters making recruiters nervous we should not make them nervous

nervous we should not make them nervous nervous we should not make them nervous because the biggest recruiters are

because the biggest recruiters are because the biggest recruiters are anyway in igaming and this is not

anyway in igaming and this is not anyway in igaming and this is not something that we are involving something that we are involving something that we are involving ourselves too much it's a microcosmos

ourselves too much it's a microcosmos ourselves too much it's a microcosmos itself so you have affiliate marketing

itself so you have affiliate marketing itself so you have affiliate marketing and you have I gaming and I love I

and you have I gaming and I love I and you have I gaming and I love I gaming and we have clients from there

gaming and we have clients from there gaming and we have clients from there but it's still like a different thing

but it's still like a different thing but it's still like a different thing it's a different thing from tracking how

it's a different thing from tracking how it's a different thing from tracking how the traffic is generated how even at the

the traffic is generated how even at the the traffic is generated how even at the boes are looking different everything is

boes are looking different everything is boes are looking different everything is there a different world and there are a

there a different world and there are a there a different world and there are a there are recruitment companies that are

there are recruitment companies that are there are recruitment companies that are like specialized in this and they do a

like specialized in this and they do a like specialized in this and they do a fantastic job they do fantastic speeches

fantastic job they do fantastic speeches fantastic job they do fantastic speeches for example I think her name is kilia so

for example I think her name is kilia so for example I think her name is kilia so she's for example a great person I made

she's for example a great person I made she's for example a great person I made met her in in Athens it's not that we

met her in in Athens it's not that we met her in in Athens it's not that we are doing this and we are coming now and

are doing this and we are coming now and are doing this and we are coming now and and taking something from their plate

and taking something from their plate and taking something from their plate because they are so Hy Lish there and

because they are so Hy Lish there and because they are so Hy Lish there and they do such a great work with all

they do such a great work with all they do such a great work with all aspects of I gaming um if you meet

aspects of I gaming um if you meet aspects of I gaming um if you meet somebody like like a legal guy they can

somebody like like a legal guy they can somebody like like a legal guy they can organize these kind of things we bring

organize these kind of things we bring organize these kind of things we bring aate managers advertising managers media

aate managers advertising managers media aate managers advertising managers media buyers marketing managers and now we

buyers marketing managers and now we buyers marketing managers and now we have the first I think 15 developers

have the first I think 15 developers have the first I think 15 developers also but it's not that we are like

also but it's not that we are like also but it's not that we are like specialized in a certain in a certain

specialized in a certain in a certain specialized in a certain in a certain field and the market is also big enough

field and the market is also big enough field and the market is also big enough for everybody to to work into that but

for everybody to to work into that but for everybody to to work into that but I'm extremely proud that we could build

I'm extremely proud that we could build I'm extremely proud that we could build here a team of four within one year and

here a team of four within one year and here a team of four within one year and this is mostly also related to to to

this is mostly also related to to to this is mostly also related to to to Tina that is managing the project and

Tina that is managing the project and Tina that is managing the project and does here a great work coordinating

does here a great work coordinating does here a great work coordinating everything and of course also that we

everything and of course also that we everything and of course also that we had the opportunity to take over the

had the opportunity to take over the had the opportunity to take over the management of off jobs all right

management of off jobs all right management of off jobs all right Cordelia is safe yeah not only Cordelia

Cordelia is safe yeah not only Cordelia Cordelia is safe yeah not only Cordelia I met a few of them but she's the one

I met a few of them but she's the one I met a few of them but she's the one that I I had the most touching points in

that I I had the most touching points in that I I had the most touching points in the uh longest talk and also when you

the uh longest talk and also when you the uh longest talk and also when you meet sometimes people in said ah you are

meet sometimes people in said ah you are meet sometimes people in said ah you are a recruiter yeah okay we have some guys

a recruiter yeah okay we have some guys a recruiter yeah okay we have some guys and sometimes he get let's say 15 people

and sometimes he get let's say 15 people and sometimes he get let's say 15 people that we have no jobs for let's say

that we have no jobs for let's say that we have no jobs for let's say something like VIP customer support we

something like VIP customer support we something like VIP customer support we don't have openings for this kind of

don't have openings for this kind of don't have openings for this kind of stuff so you stick to some of the other

stuff so you stick to some of the other stuff so you stick to some of the other recruiters and say hey if I send you the

recruiters and say hey if I send you the recruiters and say hey if I send you the guys and something comes out can we do

guys and something comes out can we do guys and something comes out can we do something and it's not that we

something and it's not that we something and it's not that we cooperated there now also but V is

cooperated there now also but V is cooperated there now also but V is always like a nice discussion but with

always like a nice discussion but with always like a nice discussion but with others when you say something they are

others when you say something they are others when you say something they are not even giving you feedback when I had

not even giving you feedback when I had not even giving you feedback when I had my first developers I had people that

my first developers I had people that my first developers I had people that were writing me I need this developers I

were writing me I need this developers I were writing me I need this developers I need this developers I make group I make

need this developers I make group I make need this developers I make group I make in introductions Tina is making her

in introductions Tina is making her in introductions Tina is making her following ups and the people are not

following ups and the people are not following ups and the people are not even following up or giving comments and

even following up or giving comments and even following up or giving comments and this is something sad and this is with a

this is something sad and this is with a this is something sad and this is with a lot of people like this and the people

lot of people like this and the people lot of people like this and the people that are professional they will go up

that are professional they will go up that are professional they will go up and the people that not taking care of

and the people that not taking care of and the people that not taking care of the people but it's sometimes also hard

the people but it's sometimes also hard the people but it's sometimes also hard to keep up you have a lot of requests

to keep up you have a lot of requests to keep up you have a lot of requests they will die out this recruiters should

they will die out this recruiters should they will die out this recruiters should be nervous but not because of me they

be nervous but not because of me they be nervous but not because of me they should be nervous because the clients

should be nervous because the clients should be nervous because the clients will not be happy and the candidats will

will not be happy and the candidats will will not be happy and the candidats will not be not be not be happy agreed and last question is what

happy agreed and last question is what happy agreed and last question is what do you see of the future of affiliate do you see of the future of affiliate do you see of the future of affiliate marketing as it intersects with business

marketing as it intersects with business marketing as it intersects with business intelligence so I see it practically

intelligence so I see it practically intelligence so I see it practically very

very very automized I think that there will be in

automized I think that there will be in automized I think that there will be in every bigger company and every biger in

every bigger company and every biger in every bigger company and every biger in every bigger Network there will be tools

every bigger Network there will be tools every bigger Network there will be tools and departments integrated that is

and departments integrated that is and departments integrated that is serving in informations to the affiliate

serving in informations to the affiliate serving in informations to the affiliate manager and to the company to make

manager and to the company to make manager and to the company to make qualified decisions and it will also

qualified decisions and it will also qualified decisions and it will also give the team leader other information

give the team leader other information give the team leader other information to see the quality of their affiliate

to see the quality of their affiliate to see the quality of their affiliate managers to throw really down which

managers to throw really down which managers to throw really down which affiliate manager is growing their

affiliate manager is growing their affiliate manager is growing their amount of active Affiliates how are they

amount of active Affiliates how are they amount of active Affiliates how are they growing their amount of quality

growing their amount of quality growing their amount of quality Affiliates and all this kind of stuff

Affiliates and all this kind of stuff Affiliates and all this kind of stuff because just having an affiliate manager

because just having an affiliate manager because just having an affiliate manager that makes the most sales with their

that makes the most sales with their that makes the most sales with their team is not automatically meaning that

team is not automatically meaning that team is not automatically meaning that this is a good guy it can be one

this is a good guy it can be one this is a good guy it can be one affiliate that this guy has a very good

affiliate that this guy has a very good affiliate that this guy has a very good relationship with and that's it you have

relationship with and that's it you have relationship with and that's it you have to see really the quality and the amount

to see really the quality and the amount to see really the quality and the amount of Affiliates what is the average

of Affiliates what is the average of Affiliates what is the average revenue and so on and all this data is

revenue and so on and all this data is revenue and so on and all this data is already there it's just not easy

already there it's just not easy already there it's just not easy accessible for the people so I think

accessible for the people so I think accessible for the people so I think that is like one thing and I think what

that is like one thing and I think what that is like one thing and I think what will also happen is to automize a mod

will also happen is to automize a mod will also happen is to automize a mod sprs like for example the aate is

sprs like for example the aate is sprs like for example the aate is getting automatically suggestions what

getting automatically suggestions what getting automatically suggestions what offers will work for them that is one

offers will work for them that is one offers will work for them that is one thing what landing page will work on

thing what landing page will work on thing what landing page will work on them I think also there will be API

them I think also there will be API them I think also there will be API connections to change payouts to notify

connections to change payouts to notify connections to change payouts to notify the affiliate and say hey this subsource

the affiliate and say hey this subsource the affiliate and say hey this subsource is not able to to keep up with this 50

is not able to to keep up with this 50 is not able to to keep up with this 50 EUR CPA we can only afford 40 within 48

EUR CPA we can only afford 40 within 48 EUR CPA we can only afford 40 within 48 hours we will change that but this kind

hours we will change that but this kind hours we will change that but this kind of stuff I think is happening it takes a

of stuff I think is happening it takes a of stuff I think is happening it takes a lot of time for us to make all these

lot of time for us to make all these lot of time for us to make all these changes at the moment manually but I see

changes at the moment manually but I see changes at the moment manually but I see it in the future that this is definitely

it in the future that this is definitely it in the future that this is definitely something that is happening more

something that is happening more something that is happening more automatically and it's happening already

automatically and it's happening already automatically and it's happening already in some companies but it has to be done

in some companies but it has to be done in some companies but it has to be done in the right way I read recently an

in the right way I read recently an in the right way I read recently an article about somebody that was

article about somebody that was article about somebody that was promoting don't even remember what offer

promoting don't even remember what offer promoting don't even remember what offer it was but over the weekend practically

it was but over the weekend practically it was but over the weekend practically this algorithm stopped an offer I think

this algorithm stopped an offer I think this algorithm stopped an offer I think and was not even you cannot stop an

and was not even you cannot stop an and was not even you cannot stop an offer Friday night and on Monday there

offer Friday night and on Monday there offer Friday night and on Monday there they look into it and see there are zero

they look into it and see there are zero they look into it and see there are zero sales so it has to be done in in the

sales so it has to be done in in the sales so it has to be done in in the right way and we will have for sure a

right way and we will have for sure a right way and we will have for sure a year or two more until this is like all

year or two more until this is like all year or two more until this is like all established but I think this is really

established but I think this is really established but I think this is really the future and also what is of course

the future and also what is of course the future and also what is of course the case is that a lot of work that the

the case is that a lot of work that the the case is that a lot of work that the affiliate managers are doing is taking

affiliate managers are doing is taking affiliate managers are doing is taking too long because it's manual offer link

too long because it's manual offer link too long because it's manual offer link creation and so on statistics discussing

creation and so on statistics discussing creation and so on statistics discussing payouts so on you meet that with with

payouts so on you meet that with with payouts so on you meet that with with one click you must have features to to

one click you must have features to to one click you must have features to to find out every detail about the

find out every detail about the find out every detail about the affiliate you have to find problems in

affiliate you have to find problems in affiliate you have to find problems in your system and where you have set the

your system and where you have set the your system and where you have set the wrong payout where you are paying out

wrong payout where you are paying out wrong payout where you are paying out the affiliate more than you are actually

the affiliate more than you are actually the affiliate more than you are actually learning so I think all this kind of

learning so I think all this kind of learning so I think all this kind of stuff will become incredibly important

stuff will become incredibly important stuff will become incredibly important and additionally of course information

and additionally of course information and additionally of course information about the market itself I send the

about the market itself I send the about the market itself I send the Masters in cash every month the

Masters in cash every month the Masters in cash every month the newsletter to the entire field about all

newsletter to the entire field about all newsletter to the entire field about all the changes that are in the market that

the changes that are in the market that the changes that are in the market that can be regulations that can be also

can be regulations that can be also can be regulations that can be also personal movements so somebody that was

personal movements so somebody that was personal movements so somebody that was like a big affiliate manager is moving

like a big affiliate manager is moving like a big affiliate manager is moving somewhere else that can be like

somewhere else that can be like somewhere else that can be like competitors are making promotions

competitors are making promotions competitors are making promotions competitors are closing down products

competitors are closing down products competitors are closing down products and so on and I think based on this

and so on and I think based on this and so on and I think based on this information with your own Intel you can

information with your own Intel you can information with your own Intel you can really find golden situations if you see

really find golden situations if you see really find golden situations if you see that that that you for for f example in our case Poland

you for for f example in our case Poland you for for f example in our case Poland if you see that your polish offer is

if you see that your polish offer is if you see that your polish offer is doing quite okay but not dominating the

doing quite okay but not dominating the doing quite okay but not dominating the market and out of the like a few

market and out of the like a few market and out of the like a few competitors that are stopping this or

competitors that are stopping this or competitors that are stopping this or lowering the payout you know that you're

lowering the payout you know that you're lowering the payout you know that you're out of the s in the King of the Hill

out of the s in the King of the Hill out of the s in the King of the Hill something like this so you can push that

something like this so you can push that something like this so you can push that if you just rely on your own data that

if you just rely on your own data that if you just rely on your own data that will take way longer to realize because

will take way longer to realize because will take way longer to realize because of of the something more more leads

of of the something more more leads of of the something more more leads coming in but if you have this

coming in but if you have this coming in but if you have this information before you can tell your

information before you can tell your information before you can tell your team hey in Poland I think we have there

team hey in Poland I think we have there team hey in Poland I think we have there like a nice chance let's prepare a lead

like a nice chance let's prepare a lead like a nice chance let's prepare a lead rate Let's test it for one week and so

rate Let's test it for one week and so rate Let's test it for one week and so on that's like a lot of um stuff that

on that's like a lot of um stuff that on that's like a lot of um stuff that you have with inside information and

you have with inside information and you have with inside information and outside information and how the outside

outside information and how the outside outside information and how the outside information are blending in all of that

information are blending in all of that information are blending in all of that it's nothing I can at the moment maybe

it's nothing I can at the moment maybe it's nothing I can at the moment maybe you have to invite Chris because he yes

you have to invite Chris because he yes you have to invite Chris because he yes for sure so you yeah I think the three

for sure so you yeah I think the three for sure so you yeah I think the three of us should chat and it's yeah it's

of us should chat and it's yeah it's of us should chat and it's yeah it's funny you mention all these things and

funny you mention all these things and funny you mention all these things and just for contexts we haven't shared with

just for contexts we haven't shared with just for contexts we haven't shared with Stefan our pitch te in business plan so

Stefan our pitch te in business plan so Stefan our pitch te in business plan so we're working on a few of those things

we're working on a few of those things we're working on a few of those things that's good yeah Stefan I want to throw

that's good yeah Stefan I want to throw that's good yeah Stefan I want to throw it back to you thanks for doing this how

it back to you thanks for doing this how it back to you thanks for doing this how can people get a hold of you the best is

can people get a hold of you the best is can people get a hold of you the best is actually to go on any platform and check

actually to go on any platform and check actually to go on any platform and check for AFP it's on Facebook it's on

for AFP it's on Facebook it's on for AFP it's on Facebook it's on Instagram it's on YouTube you can also

Instagram it's on YouTube you can also Instagram it's on YouTube you can also write me an email Stefan at AFP net yeah

write me an email Stefan at AFP net yeah write me an email Stefan at AFP net yeah that's I think the easiest ways to reach

that's I think the easiest ways to reach that's I think the easiest ways to reach out or just watch out for the guy that

out or just watch out for the guy that out or just watch out for the guy that is wearing the most colorful suits on

is wearing the most colorful suits on is wearing the most colorful suits on the conferences because that's also me

the conferences because that's also me the conferences because that's also me but not this time in my unfortunately

but not this time in my unfortunately but not this time in my unfortunately okay no worries that's awesome I'm going

okay no worries that's awesome I'm going okay no worries that's awesome I'm going to put those links in the show notes and

to put those links in the show notes and to put those links in the show notes and we're purple in the conference it's nice

we're purple in the conference it's nice we're purple in the conference it's nice to know that great minds think Al like

to know that great minds think Al like to know that great minds think Al like in terms of how do we stand up from the

in terms of how do we stand up from the in terms of how do we stand up from the crowd stepan thanks a lot for doing this

crowd stepan thanks a lot for doing this crowd stepan thanks a lot for doing this John thank you very much also for this

John thank you very much also for this John thank you very much also for this really great podcast we had together

really great podcast we had together really great podcast we had together very inspiring thank you thank

very inspiring thank you thank very inspiring thank you thank you thank you for tuning in to the

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