Affiliate SEO Secrets: Dive Deep with Matt Diggity

the Silver Lining on the whole thing is the Silver Lining on the whole thing is we've just now got permission to use AI

we've just now got permission to use AI we've just now got permission to use AI in our content generation so our biggest

in our content generation so our biggest in our content generation so our biggest resource requirement content was now

resource requirement content was now resource requirement content was now reduced to a fraction of what it uh ever

reduced to a fraction of what it uh ever reduced to a fraction of what it uh ever was before because blackout is now legal

was before because blackout is now legal was before because blackout is now legal because they're able to use AI in their

because they're able to use AI in their because they're able to use AI in their search results they have to be able to

search results they have to be able to search results they have to be able to let everyone else use Ai and it's it's

let everyone else use Ai and it's it's let everyone else use Ai and it's it's just been like the floodgates are open

just been like the floodgates are open just been like the floodgates are open I'm I'm printing out websites right now

I'm I'm printing out websites right now I'm I'm printing out websites right now and I've already added another seven

and I've already added another seven and I've already added another seven figures to my folio value just since the

figures to my folio value just since the figures to my folio value just since the Advent of Advent of Advent of AI I'm John Wright and you're listening

AI I'm John Wright and you're listening AI I'm John Wright and you're listening to affiliate bi the business

to affiliate bi the business to affiliate bi the business intelligence and affiliate marketing

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podcast brought to you by podcast brought to you by statom welcome to the affiliate bi

statom welcome to the affiliate bi statom welcome to the affiliate bi podcast I got a special guest here uh

podcast I got a special guest here uh podcast I got a special guest here uh Matt Diggity he's well known in the SEO

Matt Diggity he's well known in the SEO Matt Diggity he's well known in the SEO community and I know him from uh

community and I know him from uh community and I know him from uh following his journey creating the

following his journey creating the following his journey creating the affiliate lab uh he's got a very popular

affiliate lab uh he's got a very popular affiliate lab uh he's got a very popular conference that he's organized at the

conference that he's organized at the conference that he's organized at the changm SEO conference and I know Matt

changm SEO conference and I know Matt changm SEO conference and I know Matt you do a lot more thing more than just

you do a lot more thing more than just you do a lot more thing more than just that so I want to pass it back to you

that so I want to pass it back to you that so I want to pass it back to you and tell us what you and tell us what you and tell us what you do yeah other than the conference and

do yeah other than the conference and do yeah other than the conference and the affiliate lab which is a course on

the affiliate lab which is a course on the affiliate lab which is a course on SEO and affiliate marketing I also have

SEO and affiliate marketing I also have SEO and affiliate marketing I also have an agency called the search initiative I

an agency called the search initiative I an agency called the search initiative I have a portfolio company called lead

have a portfolio company called lead have a portfolio company called lead spring which basically this is where we

spring which basically this is where we spring which basically this is where we we uh what is it we walk the walk right

we uh what is it we walk the walk right we uh what is it we walk the walk right so this is where we're we're building

so this is where we're we're building so this is where we're we're building affiliate websites we're partnering with

affiliate websites we're partnering with affiliate websites we're partnering with other businesses this is where we're

other businesses this is where we're other businesses this is where we're actually doing SEO and then um just I

actually doing SEO and then um just I actually doing SEO and then um just I got the my personal brand which would be

got the my personal brand which would be got the my personal brand which would be digity marketing and that kind of feeds

digity marketing and that kind of feeds digity marketing and that kind of feeds leads into the agency the course and

leads into the agency the course and leads into the agency the course and also like the partnership deals that I I

also like the partnership deals that I I also like the partnership deals that I I get to be a part of and um that's mostly

get to be a part of and um that's mostly get to be a part of and um that's mostly driven by the affiliate or the uh

driven by the affiliate or the uh driven by the affiliate or the uh YouTube channel and then secondly by the

YouTube channel and then secondly by the YouTube channel and then secondly by the blog that used to be switched around but

blog that used to be switched around but blog that used to be switched around but this day and age uh YouTube is where

this day and age uh YouTube is where this day and age uh YouTube is where people like to consume content I agree

people like to consume content I agree people like to consume content I agree uh my first question to get things uh my first question to get things uh my first question to get things started is a someone who gets to network

started is a someone who gets to network started is a someone who gets to network with a lot of the the smartest people in

with a lot of the the smartest people in with a lot of the the smartest people in the SEO space uh what's your view on the

the SEO space uh what's your view on the the SEO space uh what's your view on the world of SEO today given that there's

world of SEO today given that there's world of SEO today given that there's just been in my mind so much

just been in my mind so much just been in my mind so much volatility volatility is like just the

volatility volatility is like just the volatility volatility is like just the name of the game with SEO right uh I've

name of the game with SEO right uh I've name of the game with SEO right uh I've been doing it since 2009 it's always

been doing it since 2009 it's always been doing it since 2009 it's always been volatile I mean like the the first

been volatile I mean like the the first been volatile I mean like the the first year I got into it and actually started

year I got into it and actually started year I got into it and actually started getting success and making a bunch of

getting success and making a bunch of getting success and making a bunch of money and broking breaking five figures

money and broking breaking five figures money and broking breaking five figures my whole entire portfolio died that year

my whole entire portfolio died that year my whole entire portfolio died that year too so I'm kind of used to volatility

too so I'm kind of used to volatility too so I'm kind of used to volatility but today's right now it's it's an

but today's right now it's it's an but today's right now it's it's an interesting time in SEO because I think

interesting time in SEO because I think interesting time in SEO because I think it's it's it's simultaneously harder than it's ever

simultaneously harder than it's ever simultaneously harder than it's ever been before and easier than it's ever

been before and easier than it's ever been before and easier than it's ever been before let me explain myself so

been before let me explain myself so been before let me explain myself so it's harder in the sense that it takes it's harder in the sense that it takes it's harder in the sense that it takes more resources to do SEO and in the

more resources to do SEO and in the more resources to do SEO and in the world of SEO resources means content and

world of SEO resources means content and world of SEO resources means content and backlink so uh whereas before you could

backlink so uh whereas before you could backlink so uh whereas before you could go after a niche site with 20 pages of

go after a niche site with 20 pages of go after a niche site with 20 pages of content if it's just like hyper targeted

content if it's just like hyper targeted content if it's just like hyper targeted right going after knee pain or something

right going after knee pain or something right going after knee pain or something like that just I'm going to write really

like that just I'm going to write really like that just I'm going to write really good content 20 pages and just Dive

good content 20 pages and just Dive good content 20 pages and just Dive Right into knee pain that doesn't work

Right into knee pain that doesn't work Right into knee pain that doesn't work anymore so now we're in a world of

anymore so now we're in a world of anymore so now we're in a world of topical Authority where it's like the

topical Authority where it's like the topical Authority where it's like the website that covers the topic more

website that covers the topic more website that covers the topic more completely will gain what's called

completely will gain what's called completely will gain what's called topical Authority and have an advantage

topical Authority and have an advantage topical Authority and have an advantage of ranking over other websites that only

of ranking over other websites that only of ranking over other websites that only dabble in a topic so there's the content

dabble in a topic so there's the content dabble in a topic so there's the content resource that's ballooned um there's

resource that's ballooned um there's resource that's ballooned um there's also a link resources that you need to

also a link resources that you need to also a link resources that you need to apply to a website so it's just kind of

apply to a website so it's just kind of apply to a website so it's just kind of ridiculous right now Google solves a lot

ridiculous right now Google solves a lot ridiculous right now Google solves a lot of their problems with just um who has

of their problems with just um who has of their problems with just um who has the most backlinks um I'm referring to

the most backlinks um I'm referring to the most backlinks um I'm referring to the eat algorithms product review

the eat algorithms product review the eat algorithms product review algorithms tons of algorithms where they

algorithms tons of algorithms where they algorithms tons of algorithms where they put up a list of things that how they

put up a list of things that how they put up a list of things that how they want their algorithm to work but it

want their algorithm to work but it want their algorithm to work but it really just boils down to backlinks you

really just boils down to backlinks you really just boils down to backlinks you want some evidence of this just Google

want some evidence of this just Google want some evidence of this just Google something like best fat burner and

something like best fat burner and something like best fat burner and you're going to see a bunch of websites

you're going to see a bunch of websites you're going to see a bunch of websites like Outlook India uh Miami heral these

like Outlook India uh Miami heral these like Outlook India uh Miami heral these are all just gigantic websites that

are all just gigantic websites that are all just gigantic websites that people use to piggyback off their link

people use to piggyback off their link people use to piggyback off their link Authority myself included I'm not not

Authority myself included I'm not not Authority myself included I'm not not throwing people under the bus I do this

throwing people under the bus I do this throwing people under the bus I do this myself as well but we're piggy backing

myself as well but we're piggy backing myself as well but we're piggy backing off that link Authority just to get to

off that link Authority just to get to off that link Authority just to get to number one on Google um probably add to

number one on Google um probably add to number one on Google um probably add to Google's embarrassment I don't think Google's embarrassment I don't think Google's embarrassment I don't think they really want their algorithm to work

they really want their algorithm to work they really want their algorithm to work this way but it's uh it's a big problem

this way but it's uh it's a big problem this way but it's uh it's a big problem um so yeah so it's harder than ever

um so yeah so it's harder than ever um so yeah so it's harder than ever because of this resource requirement but

because of this resource requirement but because of this resource requirement but it's easier than ever because there's

it's easier than ever because there's it's easier than ever because there's never been a time before now when SEO

never been a time before now when SEO never been a time before now when SEO professionals have been more clear on

professionals have been more clear on professionals have been more clear on exactly how the algorithm works and I

exactly how the algorithm works and I exactly how the algorithm works and I think we've just had too much time to

think we've just had too much time to think we've just had too much time to run our single variable test to network

run our single variable test to network run our single variable test to network to compare notes and just figure out

to compare notes and just figure out to compare notes and just figure out like what is actually working these days

like what is actually working these days like what is actually working these days and I think that may be a byproduct of

and I think that may be a byproduct of and I think that may be a byproduct of of like the of like the of like the connectivity is that a word

connectivity is that a word connectivity is that a word connectiveness of uh the world these

connectiveness of uh the world these connectiveness of uh the world these days and like you know before we were

days and like you know before we were days and like you know before we were hanging out on forums and no one would

hanging out on forums and no one would hanging out on forums and no one would really share anything everyone was really share anything everyone was really share anything everyone was really private now people are having

really private now people are having really private now people are having Live Events and um every everyone's

Live Events and um every everyone's Live Events and um every everyone's connected on social media and there's connected on social media and there's connected on social media and there's just more sharing going on so I feel

just more sharing going on so I feel just more sharing going on so I feel like it's easier in the sense that I

like it's easier in the sense that I like it's easier in the sense that I know exactly what it takes to to to rank

know exactly what it takes to to to rank know exactly what it takes to to to rank and I think a lot of other people do

and I think a lot of other people do and I think a lot of other people do most people that I'm connected with are

most people that I'm connected with are most people that I'm connected with are making more money now than they ever did

making more money now than they ever did making more money now than they ever did before so I I would say the the the

before so I I would say the the the before so I I would say the the the knowledge part is outweighing the knowledge part is outweighing the knowledge part is outweighing the resource part the other interesting part

resource part the other interesting part resource part the other interesting part about SEO right now is this influx of AI

about SEO right now is this influx of AI about SEO right now is this influx of AI right so um Google's rolling out sge

right so um Google's rolling out sge right so um Google's rolling out sge search generative experience which is

search generative experience which is search generative experience which is them going to be able to answer queries

them going to be able to answer queries them going to be able to answer queries with AI at the top of the search results

with AI at the top of the search results with AI at the top of the search results that's not good for websites right if

that's not good for websites right if that's not good for websites right if people are getting their answers from people are getting their answers from people are getting their answers from the AI there's no need for websites

the AI there's no need for websites the AI there's no need for websites anymore why would I need to go dig

anymore why would I need to go dig anymore why would I need to go dig around a website for an answer when it's

around a website for an answer when it's around a website for an answer when it's right here at the top of Google so

right here at the top of Google so right here at the top of Google so that's uh there's there's fear over

that's uh there's there's fear over that's uh there's there's fear over losing traffic and there's going to be losing traffic and there's going to be losing traffic and there's going to be some non-zero amount of traffic that's some non-zero amount of traffic that's some non-zero amount of traffic that's shaved off of our website traffic but I

shaved off of our website traffic but I shaved off of our website traffic but I don't think it's going to be that bad um

don't think it's going to be that bad um don't think it's going to be that bad um we have to remember Google makes 11

we have to remember Google makes 11 we have to remember Google makes 11 figures per year year that's hundreds of

figures per year year that's hundreds of figures per year year that's hundreds of billions of dollars based on ad revenue

billions of dollars based on ad revenue billions of dollars based on ad revenue and that's ad Revenue that websites pay

and that's ad Revenue that websites pay and that's ad Revenue that websites pay if they stop feeding the Golden Goose um

if they stop feeding the Golden Goose um if they stop feeding the Golden Goose um they're just gonna lose lose all their they're just gonna lose lose all their they're just gonna lose lose all their money right so I don't think it's going

money right so I don't think it's going money right so I don't think it's going to be that bad the the Silver Lining on

to be that bad the the Silver Lining on to be that bad the the Silver Lining on the whole thing is we've just now got

the whole thing is we've just now got the whole thing is we've just now got permission to use AI in our content

permission to use AI in our content permission to use AI in our content generation so our biggest resource

generation so our biggest resource generation so our biggest resource requirement content was now reduced to a

requirement content was now reduced to a requirement content was now reduced to a fraction of what it uh ever was before

fraction of what it uh ever was before fraction of what it uh ever was before because blackout is now legal because

because blackout is now legal because because blackout is now legal because they're able to use AI in their search

they're able to use AI in their search they're able to use AI in their search results they have to be able to let results they have to be able to let results they have to be able to let everyone else use Ai and it's it's just

everyone else use Ai and it's it's just everyone else use Ai and it's it's just been like the floodgates are open I'm

been like the floodgates are open I'm been like the floodgates are open I'm I'm printing out websites right now and

I'm printing out websites right now and I'm printing out websites right now and I've already added another seven figures

I've already added another seven figures I've already added another seven figures to my portfolio value just since the

to my portfolio value just since the to my portfolio value just since the Advent of AI that's probably going to be

Advent of AI that's probably going to be Advent of AI that's probably going to be the the the hot take I'm going to pull

the the the hot take I'm going to pull the the the hot take I'm going to pull from this uh this

from this uh this from this uh this podcast all right well let's we'll see

podcast all right well let's we'll see podcast all right well let's we'll see if I can do better yeah uh so I want to

if I can do better yeah uh so I want to if I can do better yeah uh so I want to you kind of touched upon obviously the

you kind of touched upon obviously the you kind of touched upon obviously the the topical Authority and where it's

the topical Authority and where it's the topical Authority and where it's never been a better time to to be an SEO

never been a better time to to be an SEO never been a better time to to be an SEO and to learn it I'm just kind of

and to learn it I'm just kind of and to learn it I'm just kind of wondering what what do you see for

wondering what what do you see for wondering what what do you see for people that are maybe intimidated by SEO

people that are maybe intimidated by SEO people that are maybe intimidated by SEO that they they don't seem to get started

that they they don't seem to get started that they they don't seem to get started and like I I just see a lot of

and like I I just see a lot of and like I I just see a lot of professionals that I think if you add

professionals that I think if you add professionals that I think if you add this SEO skill set to what you do in

this SEO skill set to what you do in this SEO skill set to what you do in your um your day job I think this is

your um your day job I think this is your um your day job I think this is just going to add more um so why do you

just going to add more um so why do you just going to add more um so why do you think people are still overwhelmed or

think people are still overwhelmed or think people are still overwhelmed or are you seeing maybe more

are you seeing maybe more are you seeing maybe more changes I would also agree from a bird's

changes I would also agree from a bird's changes I would also agree from a bird's eye view SEO might look intimidating but

eye view SEO might look intimidating but eye view SEO might look intimidating but also if you looked at math that way too

also if you looked at math that way too also if you looked at math that way too that would look difficult right so like

that would look difficult right so like that would look difficult right so like eventually I have to learn linear eventually I have to learn linear eventually I have to learn linear algebra but how do you learn math you

algebra but how do you learn math you algebra but how do you learn math you start at the beginning you start with

start at the beginning you start with start at the beginning you start with arithmetic then you get into geometry

arithmetic then you get into geometry arithmetic then you get into geometry trigonometry algebra and then maybe you

trigonometry algebra and then maybe you trigonometry algebra and then maybe you might work your way up to this linear might work your way up to this linear might work your way up to this linear algebra thing so like it's just how you

algebra thing so like it's just how you algebra thing so like it's just how you approach the SEO learning process I

approach the SEO learning process I approach the SEO learning process I would start with the course and start would start with the course and start would start with the course and start from the beginning it's not like you from the beginning it's not like you from the beginning it's not like you have to digest the whole profession in

have to digest the whole profession in have to digest the whole profession in one day so I I I want to give a little

one day so I I I want to give a little one day so I I I want to give a little tough love to the people that might be

tough love to the people that might be tough love to the people that might be intimidated to learn new things and new

intimidated to learn new things and new intimidated to learn new things and new skill sets because if you're not if

skill sets because if you're not if skill sets because if you're not if you're shying away from like learning

you're shying away from like learning you're shying away from like learning something like YouTube SEO whatever

something like YouTube SEO whatever something like YouTube SEO whatever digital marketing in general you're

digital marketing in general you're digital marketing in general you're probably not a lifelong learner and you

probably not a lifelong learner and you probably not a lifelong learner and you probably should just get used to working

probably should just get used to working probably should just get used to working for other people for the rest of your for other people for the rest of your for other people for the rest of your life because that is entrepreneurship at

life because that is entrepreneurship at life because that is entrepreneurship at the end of the day SEO is just the tool

the end of the day SEO is just the tool the end of the day SEO is just the tool that I'm using right now what I'm really

that I'm using right now what I'm really that I'm using right now what I'm really doing showing up and getting in front of

doing showing up and getting in front of doing showing up and getting in front of the computer every day is I'm perfecting

the computer every day is I'm perfecting the computer every day is I'm perfecting entrepreneurship I'm learning product

entrepreneurship I'm learning product entrepreneurship I'm learning product Market fit I'm learning how to hire

Market fit I'm learning how to hire Market fit I'm learning how to hire people on learning how to scale that's

people on learning how to scale that's people on learning how to scale that's entrepreneurship SEO is just the tool of

entrepreneurship SEO is just the tool of entrepreneurship SEO is just the tool of the day and at the the end of the day no

the day and at the the end of the day no the day and at the the end of the day no pun intended you really just want to

pun intended you really just want to pun intended you really just want to craft entrepreneurship whether it's SEO

craft entrepreneurship whether it's SEO craft entrepreneurship whether it's SEO or not and that's what's going to make

or not and that's what's going to make or not and that's what's going to make you AI proof that's what's going to

you AI proof that's what's going to you AI proof that's what's going to carry you forward generation to

carry you forward generation to carry you forward generation to generation as Technologies change that's

generation as Technologies change that's generation as Technologies change that's the real skill entrepreneurship

the real skill entrepreneurship the real skill entrepreneurship real good book that'll light to fire

real good book that'll light to fire real good book that'll light to fire under her ass is called end of jobs by

under her ass is called end of jobs by under her ass is called end of jobs by Taylor Taylor Taylor Pierce I won't spoil it just just read

Pierce I won't spoil it just just read Pierce I won't spoil it just just read it just awesome um so obviously like

it just awesome um so obviously like it just awesome um so obviously like just before even getting on here you did just before even getting on here you did just before even getting on here you did a post about um I forget who the people

a post about um I forget who the people a post about um I forget who the people were involved but basically some guy uh

were involved but basically some guy uh were involved but basically some guy uh I think it was the co-founder of

I think it was the co-founder of I think it was the co-founder of affiliate lab um J Yap is it yeah Jay

affiliate lab um J Yap is it yeah Jay affiliate lab um J Yap is it yeah Jay yeah so he he did a post where you know

yeah so he he did a post where you know yeah so he he did a post where you know he hopped on one of the uh like a a

he hopped on one of the uh like a a he hopped on one of the uh like a a partners website and was able to

partners website and was able to partners website and was able to increase it substantially so my question

increase it substantially so my question increase it substantially so my question is have you seen like a lot of these uh

is have you seen like a lot of these uh is have you seen like a lot of these uh data stories where you've just been able

data stories where you've just been able data stories where you've just been able to see like amazing results or maybe

to see like amazing results or maybe to see like amazing results or maybe profound learnings from being able to

profound learnings from being able to profound learnings from being able to look at like all the different types of

look at like all the different types of look at like all the different types of SEO data and the way you can break it

SEO data and the way you can break it SEO data and the way you can break it down yeah so the the biggest secret to

down yeah so the the biggest secret to down yeah so the the biggest secret to my success is it probably relates back

my success is it probably relates back my success is it probably relates back to my engineering background is to be

to my engineering background is to be to my engineering background is to be able to run single variable test in SEO

able to run single variable test in SEO able to run single variable test in SEO so it it what a single variable test is

so it it what a single variable test is so it it what a single variable test is is you have a set of websites this might

is you have a set of websites this might is you have a set of websites this might be your control group you don't do be your control group you don't do be your control group you don't do anything new to these guys you have

anything new to these guys you have anything new to these guys you have another set of websites where you're another set of websites where you're another set of websites where you're testing something new Let's test

testing something new Let's test testing something new Let's test something like information game so where

something like information game so where something like information game so where each of these articles I'm going to add each of these articles I'm going to add each of these articles I'm going to add something new that none of the other something new that none of the other something new that none of the other articles on the top of page one have so

articles on the top of page one have so articles on the top of page one have so I'm I'm adding something new to the

I'm I'm adding something new to the I'm I'm adding something new to the Corpus I'm adding something new to

Corpus I'm adding something new to Corpus I'm adding something new to Google and maybe they might think I'm Google and maybe they might think I'm Google and maybe they might think I'm better than these guys right so the the

better than these guys right so the the better than these guys right so the the the punchline is 75 to 80% of these

the punchline is 75 to 80% of these the punchline is 75 to 80% of these hypotheses that I come up with single in

hypotheses that I come up with single in hypotheses that I come up with single in single variable testing don't actually

single variable testing don't actually single variable testing don't actually work they don't actually yield a

work they don't actually yield a work they don't actually yield a positive result so most of the time it's

positive result so most of the time it's positive result so most of the time it's me dodging bullets and saving time on

me dodging bullets and saving time on me dodging bullets and saving time on different things that I could add to my different things that I could add to my different things that I could add to my process my SEO process and and whether

process my SEO process and and whether process my SEO process and and whether alert Information Gain is one of them it

alert Information Gain is one of them it alert Information Gain is one of them it it doesn't yield a positive effect and

it doesn't yield a positive effect and it doesn't yield a positive effect and that's during core updates as well and

that's during core updates as well and that's during core updates as well and this is a big difference that a lot of

this is a big difference that a lot of this is a big difference that a lot of the like patent junky seos and um theor

the like patent junky seos and um theor the like patent junky seos and um theor radical seos they don't like to hear

radical seos they don't like to hear radical seos they don't like to hear something like this because it makes a something like this because it makes a something like this because it makes a lot of sense wouldn't Google want to lot of sense wouldn't Google want to lot of sense wouldn't Google want to reward websites that add more more

reward websites that add more more reward websites that add more more content than the other websites on page content than the other websites on page content than the other websites on page one but it just doesn't it just do do I

one but it just doesn't it just do do I one but it just doesn't it just do do I know why I can take some guesses but it

know why I can take some guesses but it know why I can take some guesses but it just doesn't in practice so at the end

just doesn't in practice so at the end just doesn't in practice so at the end of the day like I think these these data

of the day like I think these these data of the day like I think these these data experiments what they're really helping

experiments what they're really helping experiments what they're really helping me do most of the time is save time so I

me do most of the time is save time so I me do most of the time is save time so I can I can focus on the tasks that are

can I can focus on the tasks that are can I can focus on the tasks that are going to get results and I can throw all

going to get results and I can throw all going to get results and I can throw all this theoretical stuff away the time

this theoretical stuff away the time this theoretical stuff away the time wasting stuff away so I get better and

wasting stuff away so I get better and wasting stuff away so I get better and faster results at my portfolio company

faster results at my portfolio company faster results at my portfolio company my agency get better results for our

my agency get better results for our my agency get better results for our clients our students at the affiliate

clients our students at the affiliate clients our students at the affiliate lab get better results that's that's

lab get better results that's that's lab get better results that's that's where I think it's been the uh the most

where I think it's been the uh the most where I think it's been the uh the most beneficial for me I think like what it

beneficial for me I think like what it beneficial for me I think like what it really boils down to is Google's a

really boils down to is Google's a really boils down to is Google's a business that needs to maximize profits

business that needs to maximize profits business that needs to maximize profits yes they're very smart they can look at

yes they're very smart they can look at yes they're very smart they can look at thousands of ranking factors right but

thousands of ranking factors right but thousands of ranking factors right but will they at the cost of their profit if

will they at the cost of their profit if will they at the cost of their profit if you're Googling something like how to TI

you're Googling something like how to TI you're Googling something like how to TI shoe you think they're going to run a

shoe you think they're going to run a shoe you think they're going to run a $15 per search algorithm on that no no

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feed it something like Google's feed it something like Google's documentation product reviews guidelines

documentation product reviews guidelines documentation product reviews guidelines a uh the quality Raider guidelines and

a uh the quality Raider guidelines and a uh the quality Raider guidelines and then say grade My article versus these

then say grade My article versus these then say grade My article versus these other three articles at the top of other three articles at the top of other three articles at the top of Google Google and find out where you're

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it's really good for social media helps it's really good for social media helps me design like a lot of the YouTube

me design like a lot of the YouTube me design like a lot of the YouTube titles that I come up with uh

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these questions I can then take a these questions I can then take a transcript of this feed this to chat GPT

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newsworthy stories and getting them in newsworthy stories and getting them in front of journalists to build backlinks front of journalists to build backlinks front of journalists to build backlinks is like the most powerful way to build

is like the most powerful way to build is like the most powerful way to build backlinks these days Chad jbd is killer

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a big event like virally like people got a big event like virally like people got into that uh I asked CH gbt how could I

into that uh I asked CH gbt how could I into that uh I asked CH gbt how could I leverage this to make a viral story or a

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to journalist for my Fitness website to journalist for my Fitness website immediately comes back with uh you

immediately comes back with uh you immediately comes back with uh you should make a fitness routine uh based

should make a fitness routine uh based should make a fitness routine uh based on uh like these movies and stuff so

on uh like these movies and stuff so on uh like these movies and stuff so it's like oh here's exercise number one

it's like oh here's exercise number one it's like oh here's exercise number one Atomic ABS exercise number two the

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it's freaking clever like I would to it's freaking clever like I would to come up with that by myself I love Chad

come up with that by myself I love Chad come up with that by myself I love Chad jpd okay that's a lot lots of notes

jpd okay that's a lot lots of notes jpd okay that's a lot lots of notes there uh next is let's flip things

there uh next is let's flip things there uh next is let's flip things around and talk about B2B SEO since you

around and talk about B2B SEO since you around and talk about B2B SEO since you have to use this for your business what

have to use this for your business what have to use this for your business what do you think affiliate programs and

do you think affiliate programs and do you think affiliate programs and affiliate managers should be doing to

affiliate managers should be doing to affiliate managers should be doing to help their business in ways which goes

help their business in ways which goes help their business in ways which goes full circle to actually help their

full circle to actually help their full circle to actually help their customers their customers their customers their Affiliates oh yeah I mean the the

Affiliates oh yeah I mean the the Affiliates oh yeah I mean the the biggest thing that they can help me with

biggest thing that they can help me with biggest thing that they can help me with is just steer geing me towards the right

is just steer geing me towards the right is just steer geing me towards the right products to promote so like we're just

products to promote so like we're just products to promote so like we're just guessing when we log into that dashboard

guessing when we log into that dashboard guessing when we log into that dashboard we see the EPC numbers and stuff like

we see the EPC numbers and stuff like we see the EPC numbers and stuff like that but the they really know the behind

that but the they really know the behind that but the they really know the behind the scenes and especially how to relate

the scenes and especially how to relate the scenes and especially how to relate that to the content I already have so

that to the content I already have so that to the content I already have so steer me towards the profitable products

steer me towards the profitable products steer me towards the profitable products is the big thing and then the second

is the big thing and then the second is the big thing and then the second best thing that they can do for me is best thing that they can do for me is best thing that they can do for me is creating like a creative offer that's

creating like a creative offer that's creating like a creative offer that's better than bu this get this so like buy

better than bu this get this so like buy better than bu this get this so like buy three get one free or sign up for 12

three get one free or sign up for 12 three get one free or sign up for 12 months and months and months and have some kind of recurring aspect to it

have some kind of recurring aspect to it have some kind of recurring aspect to it so like that's like one of the biggest

so like that's like one of the biggest so like that's like one of the biggest things that can add another zero to the

things that can add another zero to the things that can add another zero to the income I'm making with a product yeah it

income I'm making with a product yeah it income I'm making with a product yeah it makes sense I mean in terms of like all

makes sense I mean in terms of like all makes sense I mean in terms of like all the data that an affiliate program or an

the data that an affiliate program or an the data that an affiliate program or an operator would have on their side um in

operator would have on their side um in operator would have on their side um in my experience with some of the programs my experience with some of the programs my experience with some of the programs I've dealt with especially in I gaming

I've dealt with especially in I gaming I've dealt with especially in I gaming is I don't feel like they're actually is I don't feel like they're actually is I don't feel like they're actually looking at at that data and sharing it

looking at at that data and sharing it looking at at that data and sharing it back with Affiliates where I think uh

back with Affiliates where I think uh back with Affiliates where I think uh that would change a lot yeah would you

that would change a lot yeah would you that would change a lot yeah would you say as well that um would you say like

say as well that um would you say like say as well that um would you say like for the Filip managers that you have

for the Filip managers that you have for the Filip managers that you have dealt with um my guess is that they

dealt with um my guess is that they dealt with um my guess is that they should be also uh in tune with SEO and I

should be also uh in tune with SEO and I should be also uh in tune with SEO and I almost think that if they actually new almost think that if they actually new almost think that if they actually new SEO better they'd probably jump on the

SEO better they'd probably jump on the SEO better they'd probably jump on the other side of the fence and start their other side of the fence and start their other side of the fence and start their own affiliate sites that's funny um so

own affiliate sites that's funny um so own affiliate sites that's funny um so the there's like so I'm big into the

the there's like so I'm big into the the there's like so I'm big into the fitness space and there's a few networks

fitness space and there's a few networks fitness space and there's a few networks more Niche and I would say stack brands

more Niche and I would say stack brands more Niche and I would say stack brands fan fuel these guys are like completely

fan fuel these guys are like completely fan fuel these guys are like completely targeting SEO to Drive traffic to their

targeting SEO to Drive traffic to their targeting SEO to Drive traffic to their offers that that's their specialty right

offers that that's their specialty right offers that that's their specialty right so they're the ironically the only ones

so they're the ironically the only ones so they're the ironically the only ones that I ever see them make an investment

that I ever see them make an investment that I ever see them make an investment in educating their own um affiliate base

in educating their own um affiliate base in educating their own um affiliate base on SEO and I know that because they

on SEO and I know that because they on SEO and I know that because they literally brought me in and gave literally brought me in and gave literally brought me in and gave trainings to their to their Affiliates

trainings to their to their Affiliates trainings to their to their Affiliates and I I think their Community and I I think their Community and I I think their Community appreciates that but like any hybrid

appreciates that but like any hybrid appreciates that but like any hybrid networks where it's like we do little

networks where it's like we do little networks where it's like we do little paid ads and SEO and stuff like that I

paid ads and SEO and stuff like that I paid ads and SEO and stuff like that I don't see them investing in it maybe

don't see them investing in it maybe don't see them investing in it maybe maybe there's a reason behind that but I maybe there's a reason behind that but I maybe there's a reason behind that but I don't know don't know don't know why that's I find that interesting

why that's I find that interesting why that's I find that interesting because it's I just find that the F

because it's I just find that the F because it's I just find that the F programs I've dealt with where I've got

programs I've dealt with where I've got programs I've dealt with where I've got thousands of accounts um you know it's

thousands of accounts um you know it's thousands of accounts um you know it's the the Outreach is done terribly and I

the the Outreach is done terribly and I the the Outreach is done terribly and I just find that they don't really know just find that they don't really know just find that they don't really know their product as well and I just think

their product as well and I just think their product as well and I just think if they actually understood SEO they

if they actually understood SEO they if they actually understood SEO they would approach us Affiliates in a

would approach us Affiliates in a would approach us Affiliates in a different way where it wouldn't be let's

different way where it wouldn't be let's different way where it wouldn't be let's just think from this I need the number

just think from this I need the number just think from this I need the number one position on your homepage mentality

one position on your homepage mentality one position on your homepage mentality where you know if they knew how to use where you know if they knew how to use where you know if they knew how to use basic tools like hrefs and uh they'd be

basic tools like hrefs and uh they'd be basic tools like hrefs and uh they'd be able kind of deconstruct where where you

able kind of deconstruct where where you able kind of deconstruct where where you find better opportuni on your own site

find better opportuni on your own site find better opportuni on your own site yeah here's an interesting anecdotal

yeah here's an interesting anecdotal yeah here's an interesting anecdotal story so there's um we talked about

story so there's um we talked about story so there's um we talked about parasite SEO before where you're you're

parasite SEO before where you're you're parasite SEO before where you're you're jumping on like one of these newspapers

jumping on like one of these newspapers jumping on like one of these newspapers to get to the top of Google right so we

to get to the top of Google right so we to get to the top of Google right so we were ranked number one for blank product

were ranked number one for blank product were ranked number one for blank product review um blank review and we're making

review um blank review and we're making review um blank review and we're making x amount of money we'll just call it x amount of money we'll just call it x amount of money we'll just call it $10,000 a month from this product we

$10,000 a month from this product we $10,000 a month from this product we also decided why don't we dominate page

also decided why don't we dominate page also decided why don't we dominate page one why don't we be number one two and

one why don't we be number one two and one why don't we be number one two and three so we we ordered some parasite uh

three so we we ordered some parasite uh three so we we ordered some parasite uh parasite articles and one of them

parasite articles and one of them parasite articles and one of them happened to jump to number one right

happened to jump to number one right happened to jump to number one right guess how much we were making afterwards

guess how much we were making afterwards guess how much we were making afterwards like $6,000 the reason was they just

like $6,000 the reason was they just like $6,000 the reason was they just don't convert that well you can't design

don't convert that well you can't design don't convert that well you can't design them decorate them and there's probably them decorate them and there's probably them decorate them and there's probably a lot lack of trust that when you're

a lot lack of trust that when you're a lot lack of trust that when you're just kind of piggybacking off of Outlook

just kind of piggybacking off of Outlook just kind of piggybacking off of Outlook in you or something like that um it's

in you or something like that um it's in you or something like that um it's probably just causing some kind of

probably just causing some kind of probably just causing some kind of skepticism or something like that so it

skepticism or something like that so it skepticism or something like that so it is Within These networks best interest

is Within These networks best interest is Within These networks best interest to nurture their website Affiliates you

to nurture their website Affiliates you to nurture their website Affiliates you know because they're going to make more know because they're going to make more know because they're going to make more money if it's all parasite that's jammed

money if it's all parasite that's jammed money if it's all parasite that's jammed up at the top of Google the Network's

up at the top of Google the Network's up at the top of Google the Network's gonna make more M less

gonna make more M less gonna make more M less money uh I've got a question that I've

money uh I've got a question that I've money uh I've got a question that I've asked a few other SEO guests on and I

asked a few other SEO guests on and I asked a few other SEO guests on and I kind of think I might know the answer

kind of think I might know the answer kind of think I might know the answer and it has to do with this idea that you

and it has to do with this idea that you and it has to do with this idea that you know in my space in igaming where I've

know in my space in igaming where I've know in my space in igaming where I've come from uh there's a lot of Affiliates

come from uh there's a lot of Affiliates come from uh there's a lot of Affiliates that say it's getting too competitive

that say it's getting too competitive that say it's getting too competitive itive where it's almost like give up

itive where it's almost like give up itive where it's almost like give up don't even get started but when I when I

don't even get started but when I when I don't even get started but when I when I interviewed Kyle he basically said no

interviewed Kyle he basically said no interviewed Kyle he basically said no like what you've said earlier that this

like what you've said earlier that this like what you've said earlier that this is one of the best times to become an

is one of the best times to become an is one of the best times to become an SEO looking at something that's highly

SEO looking at something that's highly SEO looking at something that's highly competitive as online gambling what

competitive as online gambling what competitive as online gambling what would you say for advice or maybe like a

would you say for advice or maybe like a would you say for advice or maybe like a strategy of getting started where you

strategy of getting started where you strategy of getting started where you know you you are competing against

know you you are competing against know you you are competing against companies that have large Bank roles

companies that have large Bank roles companies that have large Bank roles they they have uh like the

they they have uh like the they they have uh like the SEO um um what do you call Arsenal to be

SEO um um what do you call Arsenal to be SEO um um what do you call Arsenal to be able to get link buy links uh hire the

able to get link buy links uh hire the able to get link buy links uh hire the best content writers use AI tools to get

best content writers use AI tools to get best content writers use AI tools to get stronger so what would your take be on

stronger so what would your take be on stronger so what would your take be on uh how people can uh get started and

uh how people can uh get started and uh how people can uh get started and penetrate this uh this intimidating uh

penetrate this uh this intimidating uh penetrate this uh this intimidating uh space I think casinos a I'm I'm guessing

space I think casinos a I'm I'm guessing space I think casinos a I'm I'm guessing I haven't in Casino in a long time and I

I haven't in Casino in a long time and I I haven't in Casino in a long time and I just did it in one Geo Thailand so like

just did it in one Geo Thailand so like just did it in one Geo Thailand so like I'm guessing here maybe you can help me

I'm guessing here maybe you can help me I'm guessing here maybe you can help me uh verify whether this is is true or not

uh verify whether this is is true or not uh verify whether this is is true or not but I as I understand Casino changes a

but I as I understand Casino changes a but I as I understand Casino changes a lot there's new games all the time new

lot there's new games all the time new lot there's new games all the time new bingos pop up new new poers and all that

bingos pop up new new poers and all that bingos pop up new new poers and all that kind of stuff so there's probably

kind of stuff so there's probably kind of stuff so there's probably content gaps that are getting created

content gaps that are getting created content gaps that are getting created like every single day now a established

like every single day now a established like every single day now a established website an established team as long as

website an established team as long as website an established team as long as they can identify these and they have a

they can identify these and they have a they can identify these and they have a big website with a lot Authority if they

big website with a lot Authority if they big website with a lot Authority if they jump on it they're going to be able to

jump on it they're going to be able to jump on it they're going to be able to to grab that so one thing that I would I

to grab that so one thing that I would I to grab that so one thing that I would I would recommend is starting off an age

would recommend is starting off an age would recommend is starting off an age domain or a domain that's like

domain or a domain that's like domain or a domain that's like if you purchase an existing site and if you purchase an existing site and if you purchase an existing site and start from there there's this this

start from there there's this this start from there there's this this strange effect called like the first

strange effect called like the first strange effect called like the first rise and when you get like an expired

rise and when you get like an expired rise and when you get like an expired domain or or a age domain and start a

domain or or a age domain and start a domain or or a age domain and start a new piece uh new website on it it

new piece uh new website on it it new piece uh new website on it it typically gets just like blessed at the

typically gets just like blessed at the typically gets just like blessed at the beginning um you're going to get

beginning um you're going to get beginning um you're going to get asymmetric uh growth curves and I think

asymmetric uh growth curves and I think asymmetric uh growth curves and I think the reason is because this website was

the reason is because this website was the reason is because this website was like at the bottom of page eight of

like at the bottom of page eight of like at the bottom of page eight of Google for these Target keywords so it's

Google for these Target keywords so it's Google for these Target keywords so it's getting judged upon those kind of

getting judged upon those kind of getting judged upon those kind of criteria that PE the website that don't

criteria that PE the website that don't criteria that PE the website that don't have much traffic so you get this like

have much traffic so you get this like have much traffic so you get this like huge huge huge huge ranking increase and

huge huge huge huge ranking increase and huge huge huge huge ranking increase and traffic increase at the beginning and so

traffic increase at the beginning and so traffic increase at the beginning and so that's when I would say then you attack

that's when I would say then you attack that's when I would say then you attack like these content gaps and of course

like these content gaps and of course like these content gaps and of course when the cont when the core update rolls

when the cont when the core update rolls when the cont when the core update rolls around that's going to get corrected and

around that's going to get corrected and around that's going to get corrected and you'll probably start growing flat after

you'll probably start growing flat after you'll probably start growing flat after that but that's how I would jump in

that but that's how I would jump in that but that's how I would jump in there is to jump on a enage domain and

there is to jump on a enage domain and there is to jump on a enage domain and then just attack those content gaps and

then just attack those content gaps and then just attack those content gaps and yeah see what happens after the core yeah see what happens after the core yeah see what happens after the core update when you start to get treated

update when you start to get treated update when you start to get treated normally normally normally yeah that makes a bit of sense uh my

yeah that makes a bit of sense uh my yeah that makes a bit of sense uh my personal take on the seoi gaming space

personal take on the seoi gaming space personal take on the seoi gaming space is that everyone just kind of more or

is that everyone just kind of more or is that everyone just kind of more or less copying each other and I'm I would

less copying each other and I'm I would less copying each other and I'm I would guess like you know just from going guess like you know just from going guess like you know just from going through all the different things you through all the different things you through all the different things you teach in the SEO space you guys are uh

teach in the SEO space you guys are uh teach in the SEO space you guys are uh talking about topical Authority and you

talking about topical Authority and you talking about topical Authority and you really get into the mindset of what the

really get into the mindset of what the really get into the mindset of what the user wants and I think uh what I've been

user wants and I think uh what I've been user wants and I think uh what I've been hearing on the igaming side especially

hearing on the igaming side especially hearing on the igaming side especially in relation to SEO and content is that

in relation to SEO and content is that in relation to SEO and content is that people keep doing it from a sales people keep doing it from a sales people keep doing it from a sales perspective or they're they're trying to

perspective or they're they're trying to perspective or they're they're trying to satisfy Google first rather than who

satisfy Google first rather than who satisfy Google first rather than who they're actually marketing

they're actually marketing they're actually marketing to yeah you got to do both and at the

to yeah you got to do both and at the to yeah you got to do both and at the end of the day if you're getting tons of

end of the day if you're getting tons of end of the day if you're getting tons of traffic with just bad layout or you're

traffic with just bad layout or you're traffic with just bad layout or you're not answering the question at the top of

not answering the question at the top of not answering the question at the top of your at the top of your content your

your at the top of your content your your at the top of your content your users are going to bounce and you're users are going to bounce and you're users are going to bounce and you're going to lose that SEO traffic anyways I

going to lose that SEO traffic anyways I going to lose that SEO traffic anyways I want to just uh pivot quickly into the

want to just uh pivot quickly into the want to just uh pivot quickly into the surfer SEO tool I've been using it for a

surfer SEO tool I've been using it for a surfer SEO tool I've been using it for a little while and I remember asking you

little while and I remember asking you little while and I remember asking you previously like are the SEO tools that

previously like are the SEO tools that previously like are the SEO tools that you live with and I think you said

you live with and I think you said you live with and I think you said Surfer and maybe hre so um what would

Surfer and maybe hre so um what would Surfer and maybe hre so um what would you say Surfer is for someone that's

you say Surfer is for someone that's you say Surfer is for someone that's getting started in SEO and how valuable

getting started in SEO and how valuable getting started in SEO and how valuable is it as a tool for I know what it does

is it as a tool for I know what it does is it as a tool for I know what it does for me in terms of uh you know kicking

for me in terms of uh you know kicking for me in terms of uh you know kicking my ass and saying hey John put more

my ass and saying hey John put more my ass and saying hey John put more effort into your content uh maybe just

effort into your content uh maybe just effort into your content uh maybe just talk uh what Surfer is for for everyone

talk uh what Surfer is for for everyone talk uh what Surfer is for for everyone in the SEO space yeah so what Surfer

in the SEO space yeah so what Surfer in the SEO space yeah so what Surfer does is from a Content perspective it'll

does is from a Content perspective it'll does is from a Content perspective it'll analyze the top ranking sites on Google

analyze the top ranking sites on Google analyze the top ranking sites on Google and it'll stract out what got them to

and it'll stract out what got them to and it'll stract out what got them to number number one two and three on number number one two and three on number number one two and three on Google so it'll figure out how long they

Google so it'll figure out how long they Google so it'll figure out how long they wrote their content it'll figure out how

wrote their content it'll figure out how wrote their content it'll figure out how they structured their articles it'll

they structured their articles it'll they structured their articles it'll figure out what the critical NLP

figure out what the critical NLP figure out what the critical NLP entities keywords and phrases that had

entities keywords and phrases that had entities keywords and phrases that had sprinkled in the content and at what

sprinkled in the content and at what sprinkled in the content and at what frequencies and so then when you're

frequencies and so then when you're frequencies and so then when you're writing that content it gives you a writing that content it gives you a writing that content it gives you a dashboard on the right hand side that

dashboard on the right hand side that dashboard on the right hand side that shows you how you're progressing along

shows you how you're progressing along shows you how you're progressing along to fit in with the exact things that got

to fit in with the exact things that got to fit in with the exact things that got the other articles to the top of Google

the other articles to the top of Google the other articles to the top of Google and so like what this does for a and so like what this does for a and so like what this does for a beginner is you just can't miss it's

beginner is you just can't miss it's beginner is you just can't miss it's like when you're when you take your kid

like when you're when you take your kid like when you're when you take your kid bowling and they put the Lanes on the bowling and they put the Lanes on the bowling and they put the Lanes on the side and you just like the ball's going side and you just like the ball's going side and you just like the ball's going to get hit the pins eventually it's it's

to get hit the pins eventually it's it's to get hit the pins eventually it's it's kind of like that and then once you

kind of like that and then once you kind of like that and then once you scale up and you get good and you're not

scale up and you get good and you're not scale up and you get good and you're not writing your own content anymore you

writing your own content anymore you writing your own content anymore you could you don't have to hire experts

could you don't have to hire experts could you don't have to hire experts anymore SEO experts you can also hire

anymore SEO experts you can also hire anymore SEO experts you can also hire beginners and because they have the beginners and because they have the beginners and because they have the bumper Lanes on they're gonna hit the

bumper Lanes on they're gonna hit the bumper Lanes on they're gonna hit the pins yeah I I like how the tool is kind

pins yeah I I like how the tool is kind pins yeah I I like how the tool is kind of gamified content writing it's uh I

of gamified content writing it's uh I of gamified content writing it's uh I never found content writing so kind of

never found content writing so kind of never found content writing so kind of interesting where I'm typing along and

interesting where I'm typing along and interesting where I'm typing along and just watching these keywords get knocked

just watching these keywords get knocked just watching these keywords get knocked up and going okay I need to be strategic

up and going okay I need to be strategic up and going okay I need to be strategic about putting this together yeah yeah

about putting this together yeah yeah about putting this together yeah yeah yeah uh last question I want to ask is

yeah uh last question I want to ask is yeah uh last question I want to ask is what do you see of the future of what do you see of the future of what do you see of the future of affiliate marketing as it intersects

affiliate marketing as it intersects affiliate marketing as it intersects with business

with business with business intelligence I mean I can tell you what

intelligence I mean I can tell you what intelligence I mean I can tell you what I want um like right now it's like with

I want um like right now it's like with I want um like right now it's like with business intelligence it's like I'm

business intelligence it's like I'm business intelligence it's like I'm going to do this full set of SEO things

going to do this full set of SEO things going to do this full set of SEO things I'm going to optimize for Speed I'm

I'm going to optimize for Speed I'm I'm going to optimize for Speed I'm going to write this content I'm going to going to write this content I'm going to going to write this content I'm going to Interlink these articles together I'm Interlink these articles together I'm Interlink these articles together I'm going to get back links and then I might

going to get back links and then I might going to get back links and then I might get a a positive increase in traffic

get a a positive increase in traffic get a a positive increase in traffic later to watch amount to what amount I

later to watch amount to what amount I later to watch amount to what amount I have no freaking clue so you just gotta

have no freaking clue so you just gotta have no freaking clue so you just gotta kind of get a gut feel on like what

kind of get a gut feel on like what kind of get a gut feel on like what you're able to do um in terms of website

you're able to do um in terms of website you're able to do um in terms of website growth I have no clue like to the to the

growth I have no clue like to the to the growth I have no clue like to the to the level of detail if I write this piece of

level of detail if I write this piece of level of detail if I write this piece of content it's going to make me that much content it's going to make me that much content it's going to make me that much money if I'm going to build this money if I'm going to build this money if I'm going to build this backlink it's going to make me that much backlink it's going to make me that much backlink it's going to make me that much money that's like completely blind to to

money that's like completely blind to to money that's like completely blind to to me uh I don't know if that's solvable

me uh I don't know if that's solvable me uh I don't know if that's solvable but if it is that changes the game like

but if it is that changes the game like but if it is that changes the game like to be able to take uh to to correlate

to be able to take uh to to correlate to be able to take uh to to correlate cost with the output that's tough but I

cost with the output that's tough but I cost with the output that's tough but I think it goes full circle to what you think it goes full circle to what you think it goes full circle to what you said earlier about doing all your

said earlier about doing all your said earlier about doing all your different single variable test

different single variable test different single variable test experiments where um eventually once you

experiments where um eventually once you experiments where um eventually once you get those wins it might take a lot to

get those wins it might take a lot to get those wins it might take a lot to get a win but once you have it it's I

get a win but once you have it it's I get a win but once you have it it's I think you're able to Compound on it yeah

think you're able to Compound on it yeah think you're able to Compound on it yeah honestly I think the best version of

honestly I think the best version of honestly I think the best version of this is kind of like what you're doing

this is kind of like what you're doing this is kind of like what you're doing with stats drone is so I do this on the

with stats drone is so I do this on the with stats drone is so I do this on the the content website side too is just

the content website side too is just the content website side too is just correlating a lot of data together on

correlating a lot of data together on correlating a lot of data together on existing websites that have done this

existing websites that have done this existing websites that have done this that have done this before so like if

that have done this before so like if that have done this before so like if you know the last 50 websites that have

you know the last 50 websites that have you know the last 50 websites that have sold in the education Niche then you

sold in the education Niche then you sold in the education Niche then you know how much they make you know how how

know how much they make you know how how know how much they make you know how how much content they have you know how much much content they have you know how much much content they have you know how much backlinks they built so that's probably

backlinks they built so that's probably backlinks they built so that's probably the best you can get at least from from

the best you can get at least from from the best you can get at least from from my perspective is just knowing how much

my perspective is just knowing how much my perspective is just knowing how much current people are actually making current people are actually making current people are actually making making and what they put into it and

making and what they put into it and making and what they put into it and you're you're on a great start with stat you're you're on a great start with stat you're you're on a great start with stat sh thank you so much uh Matt how can

sh thank you so much uh Matt how can sh thank you so much uh Matt how can people get a hold of people get a hold of people get a hold of you uh Twitter I might get a response

you uh Twitter I might get a response you uh Twitter I might get a response there uh check me out on my YouTube

there uh check me out on my YouTube there uh check me out on my YouTube channel that's where I'm posting most of channel that's where I'm posting most of channel that's where I'm posting most of my content I answer the comments um so

my content I answer the comments um so my content I answer the comments um so there there you go awesome thank you so

there there you go awesome thank you so there there you go awesome thank you so much for doing this it's a

much for doing this it's a much for doing this it's a pleasure thank you for tuning in to the

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