Data Driven SEO with Victor Karpenko of SeoProfy

but you just need to be consistent put but you just need to be consistent put more execution not just researches you

more execution not just researches you more execution not just researches you know and like ideas like more execution

know and like ideas like more execution know and like ideas like more execution and I I did fail

and I I did fail and I I did fail many many times even then in that

many many times even then in that many many times even then in that presentation like we build

presentation like we build presentation like we build uh one website I invested with a couple

uh one website I invested with a couple uh one website I invested with a couple hundred K and it failed you know I built

hundred K and it failed you know I built hundred K and it failed you know I built another website we did something in its

another website we did something in its another website we did something in its well but I wrote Every process we got

well but I wrote Every process we got well but I wrote Every process we got something good you know we built like

something good you know we built like something good you know we built like two that tracks backlinks like that

two that tracks backlinks like that two that tracks backlinks like that systemize the process of how I would

systemize the process of how I would systemize the process of how I would prefer people building links for me with

prefer people building links for me with prefer people building links for me with the right kpis you know like and like we

the right kpis you know like and like we the right kpis you know like and like we built Outreach Department like that can

built Outreach Department like that can built Outreach Department like that can build links

build links build links consistently and the links I want not

consistently and the links I want not consistently and the links I want not you know the one where people offer so

you know the one where people offer so you know the one where people offer so like every time you fail it's it's

like every time you fail it's it's like every time you fail it's it's pretty good because you can get

pretty good because you can get pretty good because you can get something valuable or there like and use

something valuable or there like and use something valuable or there like and use it as an advantage in in the future

it as an advantage in in the future it as an advantage in in the future I'm John Wright and you're listening to

I'm John Wright and you're listening to I'm John Wright and you're listening to affiliate bi the business intelligence

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to you by Statute to you by Statute so welcome to the Philly bi podcast I

so welcome to the Philly bi podcast I so welcome to the Philly bi podcast I got a special guest here Victor carpenko

got a special guest here Victor carpenko got a special guest here Victor carpenko he's the founder of SEO Trophy and also

he's the founder of SEO Trophy and also he's the founder of SEO Trophy and also link checker.pro I'm going to pass it

link checker.pro I'm going to pass it link checker.pro I'm going to pass it back to you Victor to tell us what you

back to you Victor to tell us what you back to you Victor to tell us what you do your experience in SEO and everything

do your experience in SEO and everything do your experience in SEO and everything you do in business I basically run a SEO

you do in business I basically run a SEO you do in business I basically run a SEO Prof agency it's about 200 people SEO

Prof agency it's about 200 people SEO Prof agency it's about 200 people SEO agency that just focused only on SEO so

agency that just focused only on SEO so agency that just focused only on SEO so like it's like all in one SEO from like

like it's like all in one SEO from like like it's like all in one SEO from like link building to content to Technical

link building to content to Technical link building to content to Technical to-do's and whatever and uh other half

to-do's and whatever and uh other half to-do's and whatever and uh other half of my time I

of my time I of my time I invest in my own project and grow them

invest in my own project and grow them invest in my own project and grow them and make money as an affiliate yeah

and make money as an affiliate yeah and make money as an affiliate yeah awesome so what what is your story how

awesome so what what is your story how awesome so what what is your story how did you get into SEO and what drawn what

did you get into SEO and what drawn what did you get into SEO and what drawn what what brought you in like what was the

what brought you in like what was the what brought you in like what was the Intriguing thing yeah I was uh it was

Intriguing thing yeah I was uh it was Intriguing thing yeah I was uh it was like 2004 2005 I don't even remember

like 2004 2005 I don't even remember like 2004 2005 I don't even remember like uh so I was buying domain games and

like uh so I was buying domain games and like uh so I was buying domain games and I was selling them like on different

I was selling them like on different I was selling them like on different like auction platforms uh like local and

like auction platforms uh like local and like auction platforms uh like local and Dot com.org.net and I wanted to sell

Dot com.org.net and I wanted to sell Dot com.org.net and I wanted to sell more more more so I was like Curious how to create a

so I was like Curious how to create a so I was like Curious how to create a website so I started my first website

website so I started my first website website so I started my first website like it was in Ukraine and I rank it

like it was in Ukraine and I rank it like it was in Ukraine and I rank it like in three or four months for the

like in three or four months for the like in three or four months for the keywords like by domains and stuff and

keywords like by domains and stuff and keywords like by domains and stuff and that's how I started yeah

that's how I started yeah that's how I started yeah awesome so I noticed that you have been

awesome so I noticed that you have been awesome so I noticed that you have been a speaker at many SEO conferences and I

a speaker at many SEO conferences and I a speaker at many SEO conferences and I just went through uh my notes and I

just went through uh my notes and I just went through uh my notes and I found the one from 2019 in Chiang Mai

found the one from 2019 in Chiang Mai found the one from 2019 in Chiang Mai and I was looking through it um the

and I was looking through it um the and I was looking through it um the slide is from zero to a hundred thousand

slide is from zero to a hundred thousand slide is from zero to a hundred thousand per month in the casino Niche and I

per month in the casino Niche and I per month in the casino Niche and I wanted to ask about your process for

wanted to ask about your process for wanted to ask about your process for building basic like the spreadsheets and

building basic like the spreadsheets and building basic like the spreadsheets and analyzing keywords and using the data

analyzing keywords and using the data analyzing keywords and using the data and trying to find what the top breaking

and trying to find what the top breaking and trying to find what the top breaking sites do how to decompose it and

sites do how to decompose it and sites do how to decompose it and basically create this low-hanging fruit

basically create this low-hanging fruit basically create this low-hanging fruit of what to Target so I'm wondering is

of what to Target so I'm wondering is of what to Target so I'm wondering is there something you do differently today there something you do differently today there something you do differently today like I know it's been a short period of like I know it's been a short period of like I know it's been a short period of time but would this be the same recipe

time but would this be the same recipe time but would this be the same recipe you'd want to create

you'd want to create you'd want to create no I I think a lot of change we grew

no I I think a lot of change we grew no I I think a lot of change we grew like a bit but I can't talk anymore

like a bit but I can't talk anymore like a bit but I can't talk anymore about the numbers so I mean it's good

about the numbers so I mean it's good about the numbers so I mean it's good but not good

but not good but not good because like at the conferences people

because like at the conferences people because like at the conferences people want like some meet some like you know

want like some meet some like you know want like some meet some like you know like a real life story so

like a real life story so like a real life story so um I would change definitely uh how I

um I would change definitely uh how I um I would change definitely uh how I build the team like because all this

build the team like because all this build the team like because all this spreadsheets data whatever stuff it's

spreadsheets data whatever stuff it's spreadsheets data whatever stuff it's all about the process of the people that

all about the process of the people that all about the process of the people that work for you you know if you have smart

work for you you know if you have smart work for you you know if you have smart people that have awake that they

people that have awake that they people that have awake that they understand uh yeah enough and involved

understand uh yeah enough and involved understand uh yeah enough and involved enough in this process they will like

enough in this process they will like enough in this process they will like get you good results you know so from

get you good results you know so from get you good results you know so from the point when I was doing this

the point when I was doing this the point when I was doing this presentation we've got pretty good

presentation we've got pretty good presentation we've got pretty good results and we grew next year pretty

results and we grew next year pretty results and we grew next year pretty good but boy I definitely would build

good but boy I definitely would build good but boy I definitely would build team a little bit in a different way you

team a little bit in a different way you team a little bit in a different way you know just because with the right people

know just because with the right people know just because with the right people you can you know some people run you

you can you know some people run you you can you know some people run you know like because SEO is not just like

know like because SEO is not just like know like because SEO is not just like quick login

quick login quick login fruit spread you know it's a marathon

fruit spread you know it's a marathon fruit spread you know it's a marathon you know like you need to rank and to be

you know like you need to rank and to be you know like you need to rank and to be there a consistent time to make a decent

there a consistent time to make a decent there a consistent time to make a decent money right so okay so a team is like

money right so okay so a team is like money right so okay so a team is like number one priority all other stuff is

number one priority all other stuff is number one priority all other stuff is like you know it makes sense uh but this

like you know it makes sense uh but this like you know it makes sense uh but this is the way you organize the process you

is the way you organize the process you is the way you organize the process you know know know yeah and I guess it goes without saying

yeah and I guess it goes without saying yeah and I guess it goes without saying I mean Matt uh likes to have guests

I mean Matt uh likes to have guests I mean Matt uh likes to have guests where they can share stories and even

where they can share stories and even where they can share stories and even talk about the failures and not just

talk about the failures and not just talk about the failures and not just kind of show that hey in one month I

kind of show that hey in one month I kind of show that hey in one month I made the success but um you know the

made the success but um you know the made the success but um you know the common message I hear amongst a lot of

common message I hear amongst a lot of common message I hear amongst a lot of seos is that exactly what you said this

seos is that exactly what you said this seos is that exactly what you said this is a marathon this is not a Sprint and I

is a marathon this is not a Sprint and I is a marathon this is not a Sprint and I think uh too many people could go into

think uh too many people could go into think uh too many people could go into the space uh wanting the lottery ticket

the space uh wanting the lottery ticket the space uh wanting the lottery ticket like they want to make all that money in

like they want to make all that money in like they want to make all that money in the first month and it just doesn't the first month and it just doesn't the first month and it just doesn't happen that way happen that way happen that way yeah yeah but like you know what you

yeah yeah but like you know what you yeah yeah but like you know what you just need to be consistent put more

just need to be consistent put more just need to be consistent put more execution not just researches you know

execution not just researches you know execution not just researches you know and like ideas like more execution and I

and like ideas like more execution and I and like ideas like more execution and I I did fail

I did fail I did fail many many times even in that

many many times even in that many many times even in that presentation like we built uh one

presentation like we built uh one presentation like we built uh one website I invested a couple hundred K

website I invested a couple hundred K website I invested a couple hundred K and it failed you know I built another

and it failed you know I built another and it failed you know I built another website with it something in itself but

website with it something in itself but website with it something in itself but every process we got something good you

every process we got something good you every process we got something good you know we built like two that tracks

know we built like two that tracks know we built like two that tracks backlinks like that systemize the

backlinks like that systemize the backlinks like that systemize the process of how I would prefer people

process of how I would prefer people process of how I would prefer people building links for me with the right building links for me with the right building links for me with the right kpis you know like and like we build out

kpis you know like and like we build out kpis you know like and like we build out Bridge Department like that can build

Bridge Department like that can build Bridge Department like that can build links uh consistently and the links I

links uh consistently and the links I links uh consistently and the links I want not you know the one like people

want not you know the one like people want not you know the one like people offer so like every time you fail it's

offer so like every time you fail it's offer so like every time you fail it's it's pretty good because you can get

it's pretty good because you can get it's pretty good because you can get something valuable over there like and

something valuable over there like and something valuable over there like and use it as an advantage in in the future

use it as an advantage in in the future use it as an advantage in in the future yeah exactly I mean that's just compound

yeah exactly I mean that's just compound yeah exactly I mean that's just compound wins where you get that little Edge and

wins where you get that little Edge and wins where you get that little Edge and then you just keep compounding it over

then you just keep compounding it over then you just keep compounding it over time yeah yeah uh as someone who prides

time yeah yeah uh as someone who prides time yeah yeah uh as someone who prides himself on being a data driven SEO can

himself on being a data driven SEO can himself on being a data driven SEO can you share some compelling data stories

you share some compelling data stories you share some compelling data stories that you felt were profound or things

that you felt were profound or things that you felt were profound or things you've learned over the last short you've learned over the last short you've learned over the last short little while and said wow this has

little while and said wow this has little while and said wow this has really changed my outlook or changed how

really changed my outlook or changed how really changed my outlook or changed how I do business and SEO

I do business and SEO I do business and SEO yeah yeah yeah um I mean there is that's why I stopped

um I mean there is that's why I stopped um I mean there is that's why I stopped writing the new sweater like I will

writing the new sweater like I will writing the new sweater like I will continue probably soon but uh like

continue probably soon but uh like continue probably soon but uh like because because because there are some things that you see and

there are some things that you see and there are some things that you see and you want to use it like you know and not

you want to use it like you know and not you want to use it like you know and not tell about this but here is one thing I

tell about this but here is one thing I tell about this but here is one thing I can tell you which way can be like wow

can tell you which way can be like wow can tell you which way can be like wow for a super like go for your audience

for a super like go for your audience for a super like go for your audience for the people like for example people

for the people like for example people for the people like for example people looking for hidden links but

looking for hidden links but looking for hidden links but um okay even the if they found they

um okay even the if they found they um okay even the if they found they still need to replicate them right

still need to replicate them right still need to replicate them right people look for hidden redirects but

people look for hidden redirects but people look for hidden redirects but they need to see them but here's the

they need to see them but here's the they need to see them but here's the one-time type of redirect link

one-time type of redirect link one-time type of redirect link that people don't use and even consider

that people don't use and even consider that people don't use and even consider as a link it's real canonical redirect

as a link it's real canonical redirect as a link it's real canonical redirect so let's say is an uh parasite SEO right

so let's say is an uh parasite SEO right so let's say is an uh parasite SEO right you're creating an article right

you're creating an article right you're creating an article right and you have this super trusted domain I

and you have this super trusted domain I and you have this super trusted domain I don't know like with the 1000 reference

don't know like with the 1000 reference don't know like with the 1000 reference domains nice profile that already with

domains nice profile that already with domains nice profile that already with the content and ranking like top 100 for

the content and ranking like top 100 for the content and ranking like top 100 for your money keywords right you post this

your money keywords right you post this your money keywords right you post this uh parasite uh SEO article and you do

uh parasite uh SEO article and you do uh parasite uh SEO article and you do Rel canonical to this page without

Rel canonical to this page without Rel canonical to this page without redirecting so URL canonical uh says

redirecting so URL canonical uh says redirecting so URL canonical uh says this is the right page and but if you

this is the right page and but if you this is the right page and but if you find it it's cool but probably uh the

find it it's cool but probably uh the find it it's cool but probably uh the the problem is people don't find it

the problem is people don't find it the problem is people don't find it because you also on your own domain that

because you also on your own domain that because you also on your own domain that where you redirect you do reverse DNS so

where you redirect you do reverse DNS so where you redirect you do reverse DNS so and clocking so when the you will go and

and clocking so when the you will go and and clocking so when the you will go and check aha let me see the throw canonical

check aha let me see the throw canonical check aha let me see the throw canonical it will show you the normal row

it will show you the normal row it will show you the normal row canonical but for Google and all the IP

canonical but for Google and all the IP canonical but for Google and all the IP network of Google it will show that this

network of Google it will show that this network of Google it will show that this article is actually uh ranking and then

article is actually uh ranking and then article is actually uh ranking and then you like go into hrefs or whatever tool

you like go into hrefs or whatever tool you like go into hrefs or whatever tool and see wow this article like kicks off

and see wow this article like kicks off and see wow this article like kicks off I should probably optimize my content

I should probably optimize my content I should probably optimize my content and it will rank for sure but you don't

and it will rank for sure but you don't and it will rank for sure but you don't know about this so this is like

know about this so this is like know about this so this is like um this is great and we we find a lot of

um this is great and we we find a lot of um this is great and we we find a lot of uh things like this but you know we use

uh things like this but you know we use uh things like this but you know we use it like on our own projects because you

it like on our own projects because you it like on our own projects because you need to analyze see and Implement yeah

need to analyze see and Implement yeah need to analyze see and Implement yeah it sounds kind of sneaky and it's very

it sounds kind of sneaky and it's very it sounds kind of sneaky and it's very clever but at the same time you're right

clever but at the same time you're right clever but at the same time you're right I think it'd be very difficult for I think it'd be very difficult for I think it'd be very difficult for people to reverse engineer and discover

people to reverse engineer and discover people to reverse engineer and discover what that is you you almost need to

what that is you you almost need to what that is you you almost need to start looking at source code to find

start looking at source code to find start looking at source code to find that Rel canonical you know the public

that Rel canonical you know the public that Rel canonical you know the public I guess the service by code it can find

I guess the service by code it can find I guess the service by code it can find a lot of things but even our hidden link

a lot of things but even our hidden link a lot of things but even our hidden link finder can find neuro canonicals and

finder can find neuro canonicals and finder can find neuro canonicals and also as long as you we see it by

also as long as you we see it by also as long as you we see it by analyzing the top and it was alert you

analyzing the top and it was alert you analyzing the top and it was alert you know like so well I mean it wasn't like

know like so well I mean it wasn't like know like so well I mean it wasn't like yesterday right because like people use

yesterday right because like people use yesterday right because like people use it all the time but this is the way just

it all the time but this is the way just it all the time but this is the way just just to see that there can be many many

just to see that there can be many many just to see that there can be many many other tricky things that you don't

other tricky things that you don't other tricky things that you don't consider to your strategy and then you

consider to your strategy and then you consider to your strategy and then you fail because you don't know what's

fail because you don't know what's fail because you don't know what's actually going on so the takeaway tip is

actually going on so the takeaway tip is actually going on so the takeaway tip is get yourself a hidden link finder nah

get yourself a hidden link finder nah get yourself a hidden link finder nah it's not gonna help just uh you know try

it's not gonna help just uh you know try it's not gonna help just uh you know try to correlate everything possible you

to correlate everything possible you to correlate everything possible you know not not just one like H1 issue H3

know not not just one like H1 issue H3 know not not just one like H1 issue H3 or this table of contents or all this

or this table of contents or all this or this table of contents or all this elements or like the structure of the

elements or like the structure of the elements or like the structure of the page or density or like partial keywords

page or density or like partial keywords page or density or like partial keywords or whatever this like you can do

or whatever this like you can do or whatever this like you can do preservers your other tools you know you

preservers your other tools you know you preservers your other tools you know you know like or technical you can do it one

know like or technical you can do it one know like or technical you can do it one time you just need to see everything is

time you just need to see everything is time you just need to see everything is the offers right uh do you have like an

the offers right uh do you have like an the offers right uh do you have like an advantage if you have review website

advantage if you have review website advantage if you have review website does this website has uh um like

does this website has uh um like does this website has uh um like competitive information offers and do

competitive information offers and do competitive information offers and do they have like now people talk about it

they have like now people talk about it they have like now people talk about it okay I do I personally do not believe in

okay I do I personally do not believe in okay I do I personally do not believe in all this eat thing but

all this eat thing but all this eat thing but when all your competitors in the top

when all your competitors in the top when all your competitors in the top doing it you also should do it just

doing it you also should do it just doing it you also should do it just because it's a signal to Google uh come

because it's a signal to Google uh come because it's a signal to Google uh come on on on So like

So like So like um some might have driven SEO approach

um some might have driven SEO approach um some might have driven SEO approach just to try to

just to try to just to try to correlate any information possible it's

correlate any information possible it's correlate any information possible it's not just one thing it's everything you

not just one thing it's everything you not just one thing it's everything you know like know like know like yeah and then it's up to you to kind of

yeah and then it's up to you to kind of yeah and then it's up to you to kind of put the weights behind and go what is

put the weights behind and go what is put the weights behind and go what is the contributing factor and I guess at

the contributing factor and I guess at the contributing factor and I guess at the end of the day it's like when you the end of the day it's like when you the end of the day it's like when you start studying all that data it's a lot

start studying all that data it's a lot start studying all that data it's a lot of data but it's up to you to make your

of data but it's up to you to make your of data but it's up to you to make your own conclusion but I think if you take a own conclusion but I think if you take a own conclusion but I think if you take a lot of the points you're probably going

lot of the points you're probably going lot of the points you're probably going to have success and then whatever you

to have success and then whatever you to have success and then whatever you don't have success with you just keep don't have success with you just keep don't have success with you just keep testing yeah yeah we just do with

testing yeah yeah we just do with testing yeah yeah we just do with Sprints like every hour like internal

Sprints like every hour like internal Sprints like every hour like internal affiliating every week Sprint what are

affiliating every week Sprint what are affiliating every week Sprint what are we planning for a month how we move what

we planning for a month how we move what we planning for a month how we move what do they need where they need help and

do they need where they need help and do they need where they need help and just do do do the work you know like

just do do do the work you know like just do do do the work you know like that's what what helps I think that's

that's what what helps I think that's that's what what helps I think that's probably another podcast topic for

probably another podcast topic for probably another podcast topic for another day about uh your systems and

another day about uh your systems and another day about uh your systems and processes processes processes I'm not the best in this uh like our CEO

I'm not the best in this uh like our CEO I'm not the best in this uh like our CEO is good you know

is good you know is good you know in the company but like I do understand

in the company but like I do understand in the company but like I do understand like keep your eyes and dashboards that

like keep your eyes and dashboards that like keep your eyes and dashboards that they should help in front of them like

they should help in front of them like they should help in front of them like every day just to go to the main company

every day just to go to the main company every day just to go to the main company goal like what they need to achieve yeah

goal like what they need to achieve yeah goal like what they need to achieve yeah uh we talked previously where I you know

uh we talked previously where I you know uh we talked previously where I you know we've been chatting for some months and we've been chatting for some months and we've been chatting for some months and I I wanted to get you some interview

I I wanted to get you some interview I I wanted to get you some interview questions to do on a blog post and this

questions to do on a blog post and this questions to do on a blog post and this was obviously for me to kind of uh ask

was obviously for me to kind of uh ask was obviously for me to kind of uh ask you like all these different SEO

you like all these different SEO you like all these different SEO questions because our audience is

questions because our audience is questions because our audience is affiliate marketers and you basically

affiliate marketers and you basically affiliate marketers and you basically look at the questions that maybe we can

look at the questions that maybe we can look at the questions that maybe we can reframe them so they can help you and

reframe them so they can help you and reframe them so they can help you and then you gave me a story where you said

then you gave me a story where you said then you gave me a story where you said um like you had this client that had

um like you had this client that had um like you had this client that had high-end vacuum cleaners and you gave a

high-end vacuum cleaners and you gave a high-end vacuum cleaners and you gave a story about how to kind of put a a

story about how to kind of put a a story about how to kind of put a a concept out there that's going to pull

concept out there that's going to pull concept out there that's going to pull in traffic where it's not the intended

in traffic where it's not the intended in traffic where it's not the intended traffic but it's kind of like getting in

traffic but it's kind of like getting in traffic but it's kind of like getting in front of people in the right way that's front of people in the right way that's front of people in the right way that's eventually going to be not only sending

eventually going to be not only sending eventually going to be not only sending traffic eventually your way but having

traffic eventually your way but having traffic eventually your way but having it in a more profound way and I'm just

it in a more profound way and I'm just it in a more profound way and I'm just wondering how how are you able to

wondering how how are you able to wondering how how are you able to replicate this or would you say this is

replicate this or would you say this is replicate this or would you say this is like a case-by-case basis when you look

like a case-by-case basis when you look like a case-by-case basis when you look at a company and go okay like how do you

at a company and go okay like how do you at a company and go okay like how do you come up with these ideas come up with these ideas come up with these ideas I mean it's like what do you

I mean it's like what do you I mean it's like what do you um what problem do you solve right like

um what problem do you solve right like um what problem do you solve right like for example if someone recovering

for example if someone recovering for example if someone recovering websites they just can't sell like you

websites they just can't sell like you websites they just can't sell like you know SEO Services they need to show how

know SEO Services they need to show how know SEO Services they need to show how they recover the website like ways what

they recover the website like ways what they recover the website like ways what you need to do to recover checklist in

you need to do to recover checklist in you need to do to recover checklist in uh like if it relates to SEO bar like

uh like if it relates to SEO bar like uh like if it relates to SEO bar like with his story is pretty good because

with his story is pretty good because with his story is pretty good because um I mean no one wants vacuum cleaner

um I mean no one wants vacuum cleaner um I mean no one wants vacuum cleaner for twelve thousand dollars right like I

for twelve thousand dollars right like I for twelve thousand dollars right like I mean it's pretty expensive but like if

mean it's pretty expensive but like if mean it's pretty expensive but like if you show how you can make money with

you show how you can make money with you show how you can make money with this vacuum cleaner show you how you can

this vacuum cleaner show you how you can this vacuum cleaner show you how you can Finance this vacuum cleaner and like by

Finance this vacuum cleaner and like by Finance this vacuum cleaner and like by doing car detailing or other stuff and

doing car detailing or other stuff and doing car detailing or other stuff and rank uh like with the keyword how to

rank uh like with the keyword how to rank uh like with the keyword how to start Curry detailing business and

start Curry detailing business and start Curry detailing business and include this cleaner and say

include this cleaner and say include this cleaner and say without this vacuum cleaner your

without this vacuum cleaner your without this vacuum cleaner your business will fail you know so uh it's

business will fail you know so uh it's business will fail you know so uh it's like a product LED marketing like look

like a product LED marketing like look like a product LED marketing like look at the same rush they bought backlinko

at the same rush they bought backlinko at the same rush they bought backlinko and rewrote the post that was their

and rewrote the post that was their and rewrote the post that was their product they can solve this problem

product they can solve this problem product they can solve this problem right so people who are newbies and they

right so people who are newbies and they right so people who are newbies and they are searching some solution like how to

are searching some solution like how to are searching some solution like how to do this they show that with the sem rush

do this they show that with the sem rush do this they show that with the sem rush and step by step href does the same we

and step by step href does the same we and step by step href does the same we know how to check backlinks how to do

know how to check backlinks how to do know how to check backlinks how to do like technical whatever so you and it's

like technical whatever so you and it's like technical whatever so you and it's actually pretty cool because most of the

actually pretty cool because most of the actually pretty cool because most of the people just Target money money keyword

people just Target money money keyword people just Target money money keyword but here is like like for example with

but here is like like for example with but here is like like for example with this solar uh I showed uh example once

this solar uh I showed uh example once this solar uh I showed uh example once uh for example you can do solar SEO

uh for example you can do solar SEO uh for example you can do solar SEO company right the search volume is like

company right the search volume is like company right the search volume is like 70. we we used to rank number one like

70. we we used to rank number one like 70. we we used to rank number one like for the website no leads at all right or

for the website no leads at all right or for the website no leads at all right or you can uh what's actually business

you can uh what's actually business you can uh what's actually business owner looking for they're looking for

owner looking for they're looking for owner looking for they're looking for leads they don't care what you do they

leads they don't care what you do they leads they don't care what you do they want to like more leads to make more

want to like more leads to make more want to like more leads to make more business right so you need to tell them

business right so you need to tell them business right so you need to tell them how to generate solar leads for right

how to generate solar leads for right how to generate solar leads for right and just write down the process like and

and just write down the process like and and just write down the process like and tell everything uh like what will help

tell everything uh like what will help tell everything uh like what will help them to achieve this goal right and

them to achieve this goal right and them to achieve this goal right and they're not gonna do this in most cases

they're not gonna do this in most cases they're not gonna do this in most cases that's why like you know this articles

that's why like you know this articles that's why like you know this articles work but uh and you you you rank this

work but uh and you you you rank this work but uh and you you you rank this article you like get some Outreach to

article you like get some Outreach to article you like get some Outreach to this article you rank people come see

this article you rank people come see this article you rank people come see refer and they already like coming to

refer and they already like coming to refer and they already like coming to you uh knowing what to do and they just

you uh knowing what to do and they just you uh knowing what to do and they just want you to implement and then what's

want you to implement and then what's want you to implement and then what's the beauty of that with that strategy is

the beauty of that with that strategy is the beauty of that with that strategy is there it's not just leads they are ready

there it's not just leads they are ready there it's not just leads they are ready to buy you've you've done SEO at another

to buy you've you've done SEO at another to buy you've you've done SEO at another level in my in my mind

level in my in my mind level in my in my mind yeah yeah okay let's uh change but I

yeah yeah okay let's uh change but I yeah yeah okay let's uh change but I will just add it was a tool I forgot the

will just add it was a tool I forgot the will just add it was a tool I forgot the name Google maybe it's still there where

name Google maybe it's still there where name Google maybe it's still there where you can look 20 previous searches that

you can look 20 previous searches that you can look 20 previous searches that uh the user before they used to Google

uh the user before they used to Google uh the user before they used to Google your keyword they've done like for

your keyword they've done like for your keyword they've done like for example some people that are looking for example some people that are looking for example some people that are looking for car insurance before they look for a

car insurance before they look for a car insurance before they look for a car price like whatever stuff and you

car price like whatever stuff and you car price like whatever stuff and you can catch them there

can catch them there can catch them there already you know like by creating

already you know like by creating already you know like by creating articles like

articles like articles like related because you kind of see what

related because you kind of see what related because you kind of see what they Google before yeah that would be

they Google before yeah that would be they Google before yeah that would be very useful we're gonna definitely dig

very useful we're gonna definitely dig very useful we're gonna definitely dig for that after this call

for that after this call for that after this call okay uh so yeah changing gears I want to

okay uh so yeah changing gears I want to okay uh so yeah changing gears I want to ask like how do you how important do you

ask like how do you how important do you ask like how do you how important do you think design and user experiences for

think design and user experiences for think design and user experiences for SEO

SEO SEO um um um it's super important and we don't do we

it's super important and we don't do we it's super important and we don't do we we mostly don't do not use templates we

we mostly don't do not use templates we we mostly don't do not use templates we do intent

do intent do intent uh design answering design you know like

uh design answering design you know like uh design answering design you know like it's not like it's not like it's not like um first we do the structure

um first we do the structure um first we do the structure then the content and then design for

then the content and then design for then the content and then design for this content okay I mean I know it can

this content okay I mean I know it can this content okay I mean I know it can be complicated but if you take away

be complicated but if you take away be complicated but if you take away because like you're one of your tools

because like you're one of your tools because like you're one of your tools um in a gaming industry right and

um in a gaming industry right and um in a gaming industry right and um um um like you know it's hard to compete there

like you know it's hard to compete there like you know it's hard to compete there wait yeah it's not easy yeah and you

wait yeah it's not easy yeah and you wait yeah it's not easy yeah and you need to find the way how you can be

need to find the way how you can be need to find the way how you can be better than the top websites right so

better than the top websites right so better than the top websites right so like and it's not like you will write a

like and it's not like you will write a like and it's not like you will write a text with the Surfers or other tools and

text with the Surfers or other tools and text with the Surfers or other tools and it will be better you need to find like

it will be better you need to find like it will be better you need to find like uh what users actually want you know

uh what users actually want you know uh what users actually want you know like and first we're trying to

like and first we're trying to like and first we're trying to understand like the intent what they're

understand like the intent what they're understand like the intent what they're actually looking is it offline online or

actually looking is it offline online or actually looking is it offline online or is it like what they want to see there

is it like what they want to see there is it like what they want to see there and then like we're thinking about the

and then like we're thinking about the and then like we're thinking about the design of the page but it's super

design of the page but it's super design of the page but it's super important important important it's interesting like for example the

it's interesting like for example the it's interesting like for example the biggest problem for in Casino Niche uh

biggest problem for in Casino Niche uh biggest problem for in Casino Niche uh it's it's it's um on the page with the bonuses everyone

um on the page with the bonuses everyone um on the page with the bonuses everyone put the same bonuses as for uh payment

put the same bonuses as for uh payment put the same bonuses as for uh payment options or whatever like but you need to

options or whatever like but you need to options or whatever like but you need to actually give a bonus uh tell how much

actually give a bonus uh tell how much actually give a bonus uh tell how much you need to deposit what the value you

you need to deposit what the value you you need to deposit what the value you will get in what slot you will play and

will get in what slot you will play and will get in what slot you will play and with what payment method you will with what payment method you will with what payment method you will deposit this you know like if you like

deposit this you know like if you like deposit this you know like if you like for example on a CA from gambling.com

for example on a CA from gambling.com for example on a CA from gambling.com they just give clear you know like uh

they just give clear you know like uh they just give clear you know like uh wait Vision okay I see and they have

wait Vision okay I see and they have wait Vision okay I see and they have really good conversion and they're

really good conversion and they're really good conversion and they're ranking Wi-Fi you're right because I

ranking Wi-Fi you're right because I ranking Wi-Fi you're right because I mean with them like when you go to some mean with them like when you go to some mean with them like when you go to some of those websites you're not seeing a

of those websites you're not seeing a of those websites you're not seeing a list of bonuses which is almost standard

list of bonuses which is almost standard list of bonuses which is almost standard you're actually seeing like a field that

you're actually seeing like a field that you're actually seeing like a field that says what are you looking for and it

says what are you looking for and it says what are you looking for and it kind of it's all about the intent they

kind of it's all about the intent they kind of it's all about the intent they they set it up on a platter they say you

they set it up on a platter they say you they set it up on a platter they say you know you're coming here for bonuses I know you're coming here for bonuses I know you're coming here for bonuses I mean whatever link you clicked on or if

mean whatever link you clicked on or if mean whatever link you clicked on or if it came from Google you know you're on a

it came from Google you know you're on a it came from Google you know you're on a gambling bonus related website and it's

gambling bonus related website and it's gambling bonus related website and it's kind of like well what are you looking kind of like well what are you looking kind of like well what are you looking for I put in a couple of data fields and

for I put in a couple of data fields and for I put in a couple of data fields and we'll give you some interaction

we'll give you some interaction we'll give you some interaction correct correct and this is the design

correct correct and this is the design correct correct and this is the design right so you first need to understand

right so you first need to understand right so you first need to understand what they want to see right what will

what they want to see right what will what they want to see right what will make their life easier by coming on your

make their life easier by coming on your make their life easier by coming on your page click play or whatever review and

page click play or whatever review and page click play or whatever review and they know where to click and they don't

they know where to click and they don't they know where to click and they don't need to come back to to look for other

need to come back to to look for other need to come back to to look for other offer because you already solved his

offer because you already solved his offer because you already solved his problem no I think the key takeaway here

problem no I think the key takeaway here problem no I think the key takeaway here is uh focus on intent which is literally

is uh focus on intent which is literally is uh focus on intent which is literally the same thing as design and let that be

the same thing as design and let that be the same thing as design and let that be your driving force of the SEO yep yep

your driving force of the SEO yep yep your driving force of the SEO yep yep awesome uh what are your thoughts on

awesome uh what are your thoughts on awesome uh what are your thoughts on building SEO dashboards using tools like

building SEO dashboards using tools like building SEO dashboards using tools like looker studio looker studio looker studio and if you support it and how should

and if you support it and how should and if you support it and how should users best configure this for their users best configure this for their users best configure this for their business

um I mean like I I I do support it some um I mean like I I I do support it some of our teams uh have it like you know

of our teams uh have it like you know of our teams uh have it like you know Google data Studio Google hookers tweet

Google data Studio Google hookers tweet Google data Studio Google hookers tweet yeah exactly yeah but yeah you can get

yeah exactly yeah but yeah you can get yeah exactly yeah but yeah you can get like uh basic information from Google

like uh basic information from Google like uh basic information from Google search console from Google analytics I'm

search console from Google analytics I'm search console from Google analytics I'm not sure like because I I do not use on

not sure like because I I do not use on not sure like because I I do not use on my like small website analytics I use

my like small website analytics I use my like small website analytics I use bebik it's I don't remember the current

bebik it's I don't remember the current bebik it's I don't remember the current name I know and yeah I remember right

name I know and yeah I remember right name I know and yeah I remember right and

and and um like you just like

um like you just like um like you just like can create your like

can create your like can create your like um main Matrix that you want to see like

um main Matrix that you want to see like um main Matrix that you want to see like for me it's clicks uh like it's uh it

for me it's clicks uh like it's uh it for me it's clicks uh like it's uh it doesn't show bounce rate but what from

doesn't show bounce rate but what from doesn't show bounce rate but what from search console clicks uh average

search console clicks uh average search console clicks uh average position like uh keywords like how many

position like uh keywords like how many position like uh keywords like how many of them appear for a landing page and

of them appear for a landing page and of them appear for a landing page and for the whole website and overall we we

for the whole website and overall we we for the whole website and overall we we take like for example from this week to

take like for example from this week to take like for example from this week to next week what changed wait uh if

next week what changed wait uh if next week what changed wait uh if especially when it's new website you

especially when it's new website you especially when it's new website you can't measure it with like big volume of

can't measure it with like big volume of can't measure it with like big volume of traffic you you can measure okay it was

traffic you you can measure okay it was traffic you you can measure okay it was like 200 keywords now it's 1000 keywords

like 200 keywords now it's 1000 keywords like 200 keywords now it's 1000 keywords or whatever average position changed yes

or whatever average position changed yes or whatever average position changed yes we are doing the right thing but it's

we are doing the right thing but it's we are doing the right thing but it's it's many templates with this walker

it's many templates with this walker it's many templates with this walker studio and like it's up to you I'm I'm

studio and like it's up to you I'm I'm studio and like it's up to you I'm I'm not a big fan of looker studio uh I do

not a big fan of looker studio uh I do not a big fan of looker studio uh I do my own dashboard where I have like main

my own dashboard where I have like main my own dashboard where I have like main metrics for affiliate websites where

metrics for affiliate websites where metrics for affiliate websites where it's you know like as a an SEO in the

it's you know like as a an SEO in the it's you know like as a an SEO in the morning I want see okay how many ftds I

morning I want see okay how many ftds I morning I want see okay how many ftds I have what's the revenue

have what's the revenue have what's the revenue uh if it's uh if it's not because you

uh if it's uh if it's not because you uh if it's uh if it's not because you already know how many ftds you on

already know how many ftds you on already know how many ftds you on average should have right like if it's

average should have right like if it's average should have right like if it's less something went wrong you go to the

less something went wrong you go to the less something went wrong you go to the positions in snack next to a dashboard

positions in snack next to a dashboard positions in snack next to a dashboard and then to the traffic and then you you

and then to the traffic and then you you and then to the traffic and then you you kind of see what's going on you know uh

kind of see what's going on you know uh kind of see what's going on you know uh so and then the third one is uh tasks

so and then the third one is uh tasks so and then the third one is uh tasks how the task flow goes because without

how the task flow goes because without how the task flow goes because without all this doesn't make it doesn't matter

all this doesn't make it doesn't matter all this doesn't make it doesn't matter you know you need to go to like I don't

you know you need to go to like I don't you know you need to go to like I don't know rewrite or update Pages build links

know rewrite or update Pages build links know rewrite or update Pages build links on them like improve them and it's like

on them like improve them and it's like on them like improve them and it's like it's not just once it's all the time you

it's not just once it's all the time you it's not just once it's all the time you know so and yeah I'm taking notes here

know so and yeah I'm taking notes here know so and yeah I'm taking notes here because it's uh we're looking at seeing

because it's uh we're looking at seeing because it's uh we're looking at seeing if we want to build with our tools like

if we want to build with our tools like if we want to build with our tools like the same affiliate marketing data that the same affiliate marketing data that the same affiliate marketing data that you have of your your ftds your clicks

you have of your your ftds your clicks you have of your your ftds your clicks your sales and go do we want to export

your sales and go do we want to export your sales and go do we want to export that out so you can put it into looker that out so you can put it into looker that out so you can put it into looker Studio we'll already have the API so

Studio we'll already have the API so Studio we'll already have the API so that's ready to go uh but we're thinking

that's ready to go uh but we're thinking that's ready to go uh but we're thinking about maybe doing it inward where maybe

about maybe doing it inward where maybe about maybe doing it inward where maybe your analytics and your search console

your analytics and your search console your analytics and your search console can be coming in but it goes without

can be coming in but it goes without can be coming in but it goes without saying I think what you said is probably

saying I think what you said is probably saying I think what you said is probably on point that everyone's situation is

on point that everyone's situation is on point that everyone's situation is different but maybe uh your your one

different but maybe uh your your one different but maybe uh your your one campaign is correlated to a single page

campaign is correlated to a single page campaign is correlated to a single page so you can actually look at that from a

so you can actually look at that from a so you can actually look at that from a single data Stream Point of View single data Stream Point of View single data Stream Point of View affiliate Network programs hate this

affiliate Network programs hate this affiliate Network programs hate this when you need to mark up your website

when you need to mark up your website when you need to mark up your website and I don't know like for one page you

and I don't know like for one page you and I don't know like for one page you have three different types of reference

have three different types of reference have three different types of reference links then like for the whole website

links then like for the whole website links then like for the whole website you have like 100 reference links for

you have like 100 reference links for you have like 100 reference links for the same offer pick you up like but it

the same offer pick you up like but it the same offer pick you up like but it makes sense because then you actually makes sense because then you actually makes sense because then you actually see where ftt came from you know like so

see where ftt came from you know like so see where ftt came from you know like so and then like here is also I about Pro

and then like here is also I about Pro and then like here is also I about Pro canonical really good um

canonical really good um canonical really good um way to look what keywords actually

way to look what keywords actually way to look what keywords actually convert if you are like just starting

convert if you are like just starting convert if you are like just starting it's to start PPC even if the niche is

it's to start PPC even if the niche is it's to start PPC even if the niche is great you still can start PPC there are

great you still can start PPC there are great you still can start PPC there are a lot of teams that can appear in any

a lot of teams that can appear in any a lot of teams that can appear in any Market it doesn't matter like

Market it doesn't matter like Market it doesn't matter like um and just with the postback you get

um and just with the postback you get um and just with the postback you get the data like of the

the data like of the the data like of the first time deposit or right but you also

first time deposit or right but you also first time deposit or right but you also get the data which keyword converts

get the data which keyword converts get the data which keyword converts after you spend some amount of money and

after you spend some amount of money and after you spend some amount of money and then you can focus only on these

then you can focus only on these then you can focus only on these keywords by doing your SEO

keywords by doing your SEO keywords by doing your SEO it's a smart strategy but I'm pretty

it's a smart strategy but I'm pretty it's a smart strategy but I'm pretty sure everyone is not going to do that

sure everyone is not going to do that sure everyone is not going to do that if you love data and if you're

if you love data and if you're if you love data and if you're comfortable playing with these Advanced

comfortable playing with these Advanced comfortable playing with these Advanced uh link tracking tools then these are

uh link tracking tools then these are uh link tracking tools then these are definitely great ideas

definitely great ideas definitely great ideas yeah all right so next question is uh

yeah all right so next question is uh yeah all right so next question is uh it's like two parts it's what do you

it's like two parts it's what do you it's like two parts it's what do you think uh data science and analytics is

think uh data science and analytics is think uh data science and analytics is going to do for affiliate marketing and

going to do for affiliate marketing and going to do for affiliate marketing and then the same question for what it'll do

then the same question for what it'll do then the same question for what it'll do for SEO

I mean like help to understand what's I mean like help to understand what's going on faster going on faster going on faster I think this is the main thing why you

I think this is the main thing why you I think this is the main thing why you need to have and so you can make

need to have and so you can make need to have and so you can make important SEO or affiliate decision

important SEO or affiliate decision important SEO or affiliate decision faster so you can make more money faster

faster so you can make more money faster faster so you can make more money faster right so you can see problems faster so

right so you can see problems faster so right so you can see problems faster so you can see Improvement faster that's

you can see Improvement faster that's you can see Improvement faster that's the only thing the two supposed to give

the only thing the two supposed to give the only thing the two supposed to give you wait for example when I started my

you wait for example when I started my you wait for example when I started my like our internal tool we're already

like our internal tool we're already like our internal tool we're already doing almost one and a half year but

doing almost one and a half year but doing almost one and a half year but it's still like I think it's just only

it's still like I think it's just only it's still like I think it's just only beginning you know

beginning you know beginning you know so but like before we were like wasting

so but like before we were like wasting so but like before we were like wasting so much time on like routine things now

so much time on like routine things now so much time on like routine things now like we do these resources like I don't

like we do these resources like I don't like we do these resources like I don't know 100 times faster this is the only

know 100 times faster this is the only know 100 times faster this is the only Advantage you know like if you did uh

Advantage you know like if you did uh Advantage you know like if you did uh Niche research like I don't know faster

Niche research like I don't know faster Niche research like I don't know faster better with like write data then you can

better with like write data then you can better with like write data then you can Implement and you most likely will get

Implement and you most likely will get Implement and you most likely will get some results you know like and faster

some results you know like and faster some results you know like and faster than other guys that will be so you know

than other guys that will be so you know than other guys that will be so you know like the whole thing Awards while they

like the whole thing Awards while they like the whole thing Awards while they were they will think we already will try

were they will think we already will try were they will think we already will try many many times you know

many many times you know many many times you know so that's that's what data-driven

so that's that's what data-driven so that's that's what data-driven analytics tools should give you you know

analytics tools should give you you know analytics tools should give you you know so they just help you you know to make

so they just help you you know to make so they just help you you know to make your business efficient is SEO affiliate

your business efficient is SEO affiliate your business efficient is SEO affiliate doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter uh the the next question I've got is

uh the the next question I've got is uh the the next question I've got is kind of like a self-serving one for me

kind of like a self-serving one for me kind of like a self-serving one for me like I'm I'm curious to know it's I like

like I'm I'm curious to know it's I like like I'm I'm curious to know it's I like asking people what AI tools they use and

asking people what AI tools they use and asking people what AI tools they use and chat GPT and what are the ways you're

chat GPT and what are the ways you're chat GPT and what are the ways you're using it not just for pure SEO but how

using it not just for pure SEO but how using it not just for pure SEO but how you're uh trying to automate systems in

you're uh trying to automate systems in you're uh trying to automate systems in your business and you know just trying

your business and you know just trying your business and you know just trying to improve your daily workflow

to improve your daily workflow to improve your daily workflow I do not I do not I do not wow wow wow I mean like why do I need uh teams of

I mean like why do I need uh teams of I mean like why do I need uh teams of smart people to use chat GPT if I can

smart people to use chat GPT if I can smart people to use chat GPT if I can help teams of smart people that can use

help teams of smart people that can use help teams of smart people that can use whatever tool they want you know like as

whatever tool they want you know like as whatever tool they want you know like as long as they do everything like right

long as they do everything like right long as they do everything like right and like implement it and deliver right

and like implement it and deliver right and like implement it and deliver right so my of course I see like prompts I

so my of course I see like prompts I so my of course I see like prompts I talk with seos where they show pretty

talk with seos where they show pretty talk with seos where they show pretty good ideas but they are the one if for

good ideas but they are the one if for good ideas but they are the one if for example product owner of the tool here's

example product owner of the tool here's example product owner of the tool here's uh this ideas they can implement it it's

uh this ideas they can implement it it's uh this ideas they can implement it it's good we have in our own tool like you

good we have in our own tool like you good we have in our own tool like you can generate like like a lot of stuff

can generate like like a lot of stuff can generate like like a lot of stuff and it can even give you a conclusion

and it can even give you a conclusion and it can even give you a conclusion about uh what do you need to do but this

about uh what do you need to do but this about uh what do you need to do but this chat GPT is not like something you know

chat GPT is not like something you know chat GPT is not like something you know um AI definitely helps and it's probably

um AI definitely helps and it's probably um AI definitely helps and it's probably undervalued right now 100 it's like

undervalued right now 100 it's like undervalued right now 100 it's like people just do not understand but what

people just do not understand but what people just do not understand but what what I see like we we we're getting

what I see like we we we're getting what I see like we we we're getting better better and better with our tools

better better and better with our tools better better and better with our tools and just AI can just speed up some you

and just AI can just speed up some you and just AI can just speed up some you know summaries uh according to our data

know summaries uh according to our data know summaries uh according to our data that we have on the servers you know that we have on the servers you know that we have on the servers you know like what do we do so but I personally

like what do we do so but I personally like what do we do so but I personally try it try it try it as everyone used I don't know for naming

as everyone used I don't know for naming as everyone used I don't know for naming purposes like find like brand names or

purposes like find like brand names or purposes like find like brand names or whatever uh I stopped

whatever uh I stopped whatever uh I stopped yeah because I think what you're doing

yeah because I think what you're doing yeah because I think what you're doing that's probably different than a lot of that's probably different than a lot of that's probably different than a lot of people is people is people is um I think you've been focused more on um I think you've been focused more on um I think you've been focused more on the business intelligence aspect for a

the business intelligence aspect for a the business intelligence aspect for a long time like you're you're more

long time like you're you're more long time like you're you're more focused on data and I think when you do

focused on data and I think when you do focused on data and I think when you do that you're probably gaining more

that you're probably gaining more that you're probably gaining more insights where you have those insights

insights where you have those insights insights where you have those insights now and maybe people won't even get them

now and maybe people won't even get them now and maybe people won't even get them with using nab's AI tools I think

with using nab's AI tools I think with using nab's AI tools I think there's always an interesting there's always an interesting there's always an interesting correlation with AI and business

correlation with AI and business correlation with AI and business intelligence that it'll always be there

intelligence that it'll always be there intelligence that it'll always be there but if you just focus on business but if you just focus on business but if you just focus on business intelligence you might touch upon AI but

intelligence you might touch upon AI but intelligence you might touch upon AI but you don't have to well we just do it not

you don't have to well we just do it not you don't have to well we just do it not not because we just like like you know

not because we just like like you know not because we just like like you know like to analyze stuff I do like to

like to analyze stuff I do like to like to analyze stuff I do like to analyze but like we do it because

analyze but like we do it because analyze but like we do it because imagine you rank number one

imagine you rank number one imagine you rank number one uh for a super good keyword you get into

uh for a super good keyword you get into uh for a super good keyword you get into sustainable Revenue all the time and

sustainable Revenue all the time and sustainable Revenue all the time and here's the new guy that did like this

here's the new guy that did like this here's the new guy that did like this cool strategy like but if I would do it

cool strategy like but if I would do it cool strategy like but if I would do it on my own I probably would do it in one

on my own I probably would do it in one on my own I probably would do it in one month maybe never will do it you know

month maybe never will do it you know month maybe never will do it you know like maybe we'll just talk and like

like maybe we'll just talk and like like maybe we'll just talk and like trying to implement and then you still

trying to implement and then you still trying to implement and then you still need time what I have uh I have a team

need time what I have uh I have a team need time what I have uh I have a team that responsible with this project we

that responsible with this project we that responsible with this project we just discussed and put this task in the

just discussed and put this task in the just discussed and put this task in the spring so I know in one week we'll

spring so I know in one week we'll spring so I know in one week we'll change something in two weeks we'll

change something in two weeks we'll change something in two weeks we'll change even more in three weeks we

change even more in three weeks we change even more in three weeks we probably will get back to number one probably will get back to number one probably will get back to number one position and we'll use the strategy

position and we'll use the strategy position and we'll use the strategy that's where I see like you know

that's where I see like you know that's where I see like you know um um um okay I can identify but to implement

okay I can identify but to implement okay I can identify but to implement it's more important than to identify it

it's more important than to identify it it's more important than to identify it yeah and I think the key takeaway here

yeah and I think the key takeaway here yeah and I think the key takeaway here is uh it takes time to become a good

is uh it takes time to become a good is uh it takes time to become a good analyst and you pretty much need data to

analyst and you pretty much need data to analyst and you pretty much need data to um get good at that and you also need to

um get good at that and you also need to um get good at that and you also need to have a really good understanding of what

have a really good understanding of what have a really good understanding of what you're looking at in the first place I you're looking at in the first place I you're looking at in the first place I mean just looking at tables of data I

mean just looking at tables of data I mean just looking at tables of data I mean yeah you can put it that through mean yeah you can put it that through mean yeah you can put it that through now chat GPT or code interpreter and say

now chat GPT or code interpreter and say now chat GPT or code interpreter and say yeah give me some insights but sometimes

yeah give me some insights but sometimes yeah give me some insights but sometimes it helps to have like you can't replace

it helps to have like you can't replace it helps to have like you can't replace you know your 10 years of uh background

you know your 10 years of uh background you know your 10 years of uh background in affiliate marketing and SEO with just

in affiliate marketing and SEO with just in affiliate marketing and SEO with just uh AI it's just not really going to

uh AI it's just not really going to uh AI it's just not really going to happen I I think it works it works

happen I I think it works it works happen I I think it works it works mostly mostly mostly um where for example team lead

um where for example team lead um where for example team lead has Equity or percentage in a project

has Equity or percentage in a project has Equity or percentage in a project and when they make some money right and

and when they make some money right and and when they make some money right and they drop they look for everything

they drop they look for everything they drop they look for everything possible just to go back there and I'm

possible just to go back there and I'm possible just to go back there and I'm also like I want them to fix it right

also like I want them to fix it right also like I want them to fix it right like like like so this is like

so this is like so this is like and then you're just trying to correlate

and then you're just trying to correlate and then you're just trying to correlate correlate everything possible like you

correlate everything possible like you correlate everything possible like you know like you we are they have more

know like you we are they have more know like you we are they have more content let's write more content they

content let's write more content they content let's write more content they are more optimized let's optimize them

are more optimized let's optimize them are more optimized let's optimize them more they did this let's do this too you

more they did this let's do this too you more they did this let's do this too you know like

end result is still like you know like end result is still like you know like why we do this or what just to keep

why we do this or what just to keep why we do this or what just to keep ranking there and wait

ranking there and wait ranking there and wait I don't know yeah

I don't know yeah I don't know yeah accountability is uh it will solve a lot

accountability is uh it will solve a lot accountability is uh it will solve a lot of things and AI is not going to solve

of things and AI is not going to solve of things and AI is not going to solve accountability yeah

accountability yeah accountability yeah uh last question I'd like to ask

uh last question I'd like to ask uh last question I'd like to ask everyone is what do you see of the

everyone is what do you see of the everyone is what do you see of the future of affiliate marketing as it

future of affiliate marketing as it future of affiliate marketing as it intersects with business intelligence

really interesting question I think the really interesting question I think the more more more people will grow as a like teams

people will grow as a like teams people will grow as a like teams companies the more they will start to

companies the more they will start to companies the more they will start to analyze the more they will start to see

analyze the more they will start to see analyze the more they will start to see like where they are spending money uh

like where they are spending money uh like where they are spending money uh where they're losing should they not at

where they're losing should they not at where they're losing should they not at all do this stuff and with the this

all do this stuff and with the this all do this stuff and with the this analytic tools basically that's the

analytic tools basically that's the analytic tools basically that's the answer just answer just answer just just track things uh that they will uh

just track things uh that they will uh just track things uh that they will uh start track uh everything possible like

start track uh everything possible like start track uh everything possible like from the business like for example we

from the business like for example we from the business like for example we have dashboard in Agency for every

have dashboard in Agency for every have dashboard in Agency for every Department with the p l for every

Department with the p l for every Department with the p l for every hitching lead so they know like for

hitching lead so they know like for hitching lead so they know like for example project a head of project says I

example project a head of project says I example project a head of project says I want to do this team building you know

want to do this team building you know want to do this team building you know like I need 5K

like I need 5K like I need 5K and now they go and see can we afford 5K

and now they go and see can we afford 5K and now they go and see can we afford 5K to do this team building or we should

to do this team building or we should to do this team building or we should like postpone it later and figure out

like postpone it later and figure out like postpone it later and figure out this in a different way you know like

this in a different way you know like this in a different way you know like because they see the numbers as long as

because they see the numbers as long as because they see the numbers as long as you're like tracking the numbers you can

you're like tracking the numbers you can you're like tracking the numbers you can do some changes if you don't track come

do some changes if you don't track come do some changes if you don't track come on like

data that is everything you're you're data that is everything you're you're right and it sounds like you guys uh

right and it sounds like you guys uh right and it sounds like you guys uh track more than the average company and

track more than the average company and track more than the average company and I I think what might happen in the next

I I think what might happen in the next I I think what might happen in the next few years is as more people start seeing

few years is as more people start seeing few years is as more people start seeing not just case studies but when they see

not just case studies but when they see not just case studies but when they see other companies grow and they realize

other companies grow and they realize other companies grow and they realize what's behind it and it's not what's behind it and it's not what's behind it and it's not necessarily AI tools it's a lot of

necessarily AI tools it's a lot of necessarily AI tools it's a lot of business intelligence tools um you know

business intelligence tools um you know business intelligence tools um you know I think what you're saying is very true

I think what you're saying is very true I think what you're saying is very true it's the people that take the time to

it's the people that take the time to it's the people that take the time to look at data and say how can I use this

look at data and say how can I use this look at data and say how can I use this data to make a smart better decisions

data to make a smart better decisions data to make a smart better decisions you can't make better decisions if

you can't make better decisions if you can't make better decisions if you're not having if you're not using you're not having if you're not using you're not having if you're not using any data or not measuring anything at

any data or not measuring anything at any data or not measuring anything at all right right

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