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the other thing is there's probably you the other thing is there's probably you know as you look at a website there's know as you look at a website there's know as you look at a website there's probably five ten things you need to

probably five ten things you need to probably five ten things you need to look at right when you're checking the look at right when you're checking the look at right when you're checking the health of your website when you're health of your website when you're health of your website when you're checking checking checking um where should we go or what should we um where should we go or what should we um where should we go or what should we do there you probably are already doing do there you probably are already doing do there you probably are already doing this you can SLP that into a looker

this you can SLP that into a looker this you can SLP that into a looker Studio data Studio I always I forget

Studio data Studio I always I forget Studio data Studio I always I forget they call it looker studio now

they call it looker studio now they call it looker studio now um report and you probably save yourself

um report and you probably save yourself um report and you probably save yourself a lot of time at a minimum you know that

a lot of time at a minimum you know that a lot of time at a minimum you know that when instead of like clicking around the when instead of like clicking around the when instead of like clicking around the other things you can get and a report

other things you can get and a report other things you can get and a report emailed to you that has the information

emailed to you that has the information emailed to you that has the information that you want in it immediately so if

that you want in it immediately so if that you want in it immediately so if that's going to just take time away and

that's going to just take time away and that's going to just take time away and then once you've got it focused in too

then once you've got it focused in too then once you've got it focused in too on what you're looking for uh you can

on what you're looking for uh you can on what you're looking for uh you can make much faster decisions

make much faster decisions make much faster decisions you're listening to affiliate bi the

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today I got a special guest Kyle roof today I got a special guest Kyle roof who does a lot of different things and

who does a lot of different things and who does a lot of different things and I'm going to pass it back to Kyle to I'm going to pass it back to Kyle to I'm going to pass it back to Kyle to share what you do with an SEO agency uh

share what you do with an SEO agency uh share what you do with an SEO agency uh SEO tools and internet marketing goal

SEO tools and internet marketing goal SEO tools and internet marketing goal thanks for having me

thanks for having me thanks for having me um yeah I'm Val roof and I'm a

um yeah I'm Val roof and I'm a um yeah I'm Val roof and I'm a co-founder of high voltage SEO we are a

co-founder of high voltage SEO we are a co-founder of high voltage SEO we are a multinational

multinational multinational SEO agency we have offices in Phoenix

SEO agency we have offices in Phoenix SEO agency we have offices in Phoenix Berlin Melbourne and now in Kingston

Berlin Melbourne and now in Kingston Berlin Melbourne and now in Kingston Jamaica Jamaica Jamaica uh I'm the co-creator co-founder of page

uh I'm the co-creator co-founder of page uh I'm the co-creator co-founder of page optimizer pro which is an on-page SEO

optimizer pro which is an on-page SEO optimizer pro which is an on-page SEO tool and I'm one of the co-founders of tool and I'm one of the co-founders of tool and I'm one of the co-founders of internet marketing goal which is a place

internet marketing goal which is a place internet marketing goal which is a place where um you can learn about a two SEO

where um you can learn about a two SEO where um you can learn about a two SEO and we also run some tests on Google's

and we also run some tests on Google's and we also run some tests on Google's algorithm and test the library with algorithm and test the library with algorithm and test the library with other people we post there as well it

other people we post there as well it other people we post there as well it kind of gain some insights and then kind of gain some insights and then kind of gain some insights and then imagine that with the idea of learning

imagine that with the idea of learning imagine that with the idea of learning as well uh kind of comes together within

as well uh kind of comes together within as well uh kind of comes together within within that platform

within that platform within that platform awesome uh let's jump right into SEO

awesome uh let's jump right into SEO awesome uh let's jump right into SEO tools I consider some of the original uh

tools I consider some of the original uh tools I consider some of the original uh OG SEO tools the ones that have been

OG SEO tools the ones that have been OG SEO tools the ones that have been around for 10 years like you know the around for 10 years like you know the around for 10 years like you know the hrefs the semrush and me we can even

hrefs the semrush and me we can even hrefs the semrush and me we can even argue like you know analytics and stuff

argue like you know analytics and stuff argue like you know analytics and stuff like that as the first business like that as the first business like that as the first business intelligence Tools in affiliate

intelligence Tools in affiliate intelligence Tools in affiliate marketing uh what are the ones you

marketing uh what are the ones you marketing uh what are the ones you consider to be leading the new wave of

consider to be leading the new wave of consider to be leading the new wave of SEO tools today

SEO tools today SEO tools today you know when I when I look at tools I

you know when I when I look at tools I you know when I when I look at tools I want something that's light uh agile and

want something that's light uh agile and want something that's light uh agile and I think customizable and so two to

I think customizable and so two to I think customizable and so two to really pop out to me or something like a really pop out to me or something like a really pop out to me or something like a serp works or keywords everywhere I want

serp works or keywords everywhere I want serp works or keywords everywhere I want real quick Insight before I'm going to

real quick Insight before I'm going to real quick Insight before I'm going to jump into a lot of data and those are

jump into a lot of data and those are jump into a lot of data and those are the types of tools that allow me to kind the types of tools that allow me to kind the types of tools that allow me to kind of get a quick view of the landscape of get a quick view of the landscape of get a quick view of the landscape kind of a high level View and then I can

kind of a high level View and then I can kind of a high level View and then I can dig down within them and customize kind

dig down within them and customize kind dig down within them and customize kind of the output of what I'm looking for in

of the output of what I'm looking for in of the output of what I'm looking for in terms of research then one other thing I

terms of research then one other thing I terms of research then one other thing I wanted to toss out was like a data for

wanted to toss out was like a data for wanted to toss out was like a data for SEO a type tool where you can create

SEO a type tool where you can create SEO a type tool where you can create your own tools this is where I see

your own tools this is where I see your own tools this is where I see things going one of the things that you

things going one of the things that you things going one of the things that you know you have probably figured out a way

know you have probably figured out a way know you have probably figured out a way to do SEO uh or to do your research or

to do SEO uh or to do your research or to do SEO uh or to do your research or to do something else and you're probably

to do something else and you're probably to do something else and you're probably using a tool in a certain way that's

using a tool in a certain way that's using a tool in a certain way that's only for you and not necessarily how

only for you and not necessarily how only for you and not necessarily how that tool with design but you're getting that tool with design but you're getting that tool with design but you're getting the data in a way that you need you can

the data in a way that you need you can the data in a way that you need you can probably create that and it might even

probably create that and it might even probably create that and it might even be cheaper than what you're paying for

be cheaper than what you're paying for be cheaper than what you're paying for now it just requires a little upfront

now it just requires a little upfront now it just requires a little upfront work and customization and so what's

work and customization and so what's work and customization and so what's really fun about now in business

really fun about now in business really fun about now in business intelligence and you can create your own

intelligence and you can create your own intelligence and you can create your own tool to create your own data in a way

tool to create your own data in a way tool to create your own data in a way that's most effective for you

that's most effective for you that's most effective for you that's uh an interesting take on it I

that's uh an interesting take on it I that's uh an interesting take on it I don't know how many people are going to don't know how many people are going to don't know how many people are going to go out of their way to not be lazy and

go out of their way to not be lazy and go out of their way to not be lazy and um one research that and two actually

um one research that and two actually um one research that and two actually action it action it action it well that's why I make a lot of money well that's why I make a lot of money well that's why I make a lot of money but the opportunity is there for them to

but the opportunity is there for them to but the opportunity is there for them to do that for themselves as well

do that for themselves as well do that for themselves as well that's going to be the the perfect that's going to be the the perfect that's going to be the the perfect insight and uh outtake of this whole uh

insight and uh outtake of this whole uh insight and uh outtake of this whole uh podcast podcast podcast I just get really gross and start

I just get really gross and start I just get really gross and start talking money that's perfect exactly so

talking money that's perfect exactly so talking money that's perfect exactly so where does page optimizer pro fit into

where does page optimizer pro fit into where does page optimizer pro fit into the grand scheme of the SEO tools

the grand scheme of the SEO tools the grand scheme of the SEO tools especially with this one you've built

especially with this one you've built especially with this one you've built well so it uh pop is a is a surgical

well so it uh pop is a is a surgical well so it uh pop is a is a surgical tool you know it's it's it's completely

tool you know it's it's it's completely tool you know it's it's it's completely focused on on page SEO and we're not

focused on on page SEO and we're not focused on on page SEO and we're not looking at anything else we're not looking at anything else we're not looking at anything else we're not looking to be a jack of all trades we're

looking to be a jack of all trades we're looking to be a jack of all trades we're not looking to be an ahrefs or or an sem

not looking to be an ahrefs or or an sem not looking to be an ahrefs or or an sem Rush that has all of the tools well

Rush that has all of the tools well Rush that has all of the tools well we're focused on what we've

we're focused on what we've we're focused on what we've feel we do very well is uh Edge analysis

feel we do very well is uh Edge analysis feel we do very well is uh Edge analysis on on page so not just giving averages

on on page so not just giving averages on on page so not just giving averages or giving you General best practices but

or giving you General best practices but or giving you General best practices but this is the kind of thing that you can this is the kind of thing that you can this is the kind of thing that you can actually get an edge on your competitor actually get an edge on your competitor actually get an edge on your competitor and that's that's what we're looking to

and that's that's what we're looking to and that's that's what we're looking to do and we're also completely do and we're also completely do and we're also completely complementary I think with any other complementary I think with any other complementary I think with any other tool you like like to use you know you

tool you like like to use you know you tool you like like to use you know you obviously need one of the big names to

obviously need one of the big names to obviously need one of the big names to to do a lot of your competitor research

to do a lot of your competitor research to do a lot of your competitor research were perfectly paired with that and also

were perfectly paired with that and also were perfectly paired with that and also they price point paired with that so you they price point paired with that so you they price point paired with that so you don't have to make a judgment call don't have to make a judgment call don't have to make a judgment call between us and another tool you're going

between us and another tool you're going between us and another tool you're going to use those tools with other things to use those tools with other things to use those tools with other things when it comes to the on page that's when it comes to the on page that's when it comes to the on page that's where we fit in

where we fit in where we fit in okay interesting

okay interesting okay interesting um the next one is kind of like a maybe

um the next one is kind of like a maybe um the next one is kind of like a maybe it's a straightforward question but we

it's a straightforward question but we it's a straightforward question but we we see a lot of Affiliates especially

we see a lot of Affiliates especially we see a lot of Affiliates especially ones that are very good with SEO kind of

ones that are very good with SEO kind of ones that are very good with SEO kind of you know they they flew to the top do

you know they they flew to the top do you know they they flew to the top do you think these uh people are going to you think these uh people are going to you think these uh people are going to stay at the top based on the fact that

stay at the top based on the fact that stay at the top based on the fact that they're very proficient at these tools

they're very proficient at these tools they're very proficient at these tools like like like um I think it's the main differentiator um I think it's the main differentiator um I think it's the main differentiator that uh separates like you know the

that uh separates like you know the that uh separates like you know the average from the Great

average from the Great average from the Great yeah you know

yeah you know yeah you know well one one thought there is that the

well one one thought there is that the well one one thought there is that the best tool is the one that you're

best tool is the one that you're best tool is the one that you're actually going to use and it could be a

actually going to use and it could be a actually going to use and it could be a mediocre tool but if you use it and use

mediocre tool but if you use it and use mediocre tool but if you use it and use it consistently and your team uses it

it consistently and your team uses it it consistently and your team uses it that would be better than the best tool

that would be better than the best tool that would be better than the best tool that isn't used but

that isn't used but that isn't used but um um um I think top Affiliates will stay on top

I think top Affiliates will stay on top I think top Affiliates will stay on top because they have either become real

because they have either become real because they have either become real businesses or or have the ability to

businesses or or have the ability to businesses or or have the ability to emulate real businesses I don't think

emulate real businesses I don't think emulate real businesses I don't think anybody disputes in the last three years

anybody disputes in the last three years anybody disputes in the last three years Google have been very hostile to

Google have been very hostile to Google have been very hostile to affiliate websites and it's not because

affiliate websites and it's not because affiliate websites and it's not because they're affiliate websites it's because they're affiliate websites it's because they're affiliate websites it's because most of those sites are trying to hide

most of those sites are trying to hide most of those sites are trying to hide who they are or who is responsible for

who they are or who is responsible for who they are or who is responsible for the content that's kind of the nature of the content that's kind of the nature of the content that's kind of the nature of most affiliate sites and Google doesn't

most affiliate sites and Google doesn't most affiliate sites and Google doesn't want those sites in in the index you

want those sites in in the index you want those sites in in the index you know if somebody is harmed you know

know if somebody is harmed you know know if somebody is harmed you know somebody needs help and they can't

somebody needs help and they can't somebody needs help and they can't figure out who figure out who figure out who you know who is responsible for the

you know who is responsible for the you know who is responsible for the website or response for the content then

website or response for the content then website or response for the content then there's no way for them to get redress

there's no way for them to get redress there's no way for them to get redress and that's I think what Google's trying

and that's I think what Google's trying and that's I think what Google's trying to avoid and so I think the tools will

to avoid and so I think the tools will to avoid and so I think the tools will do one thing for you but actually if you

do one thing for you but actually if you do one thing for you but actually if you want to stay on top I think from a

want to stay on top I think from a want to stay on top I think from a practical perspective you want to do the

practical perspective you want to do the practical perspective you want to do the things that a real business does and the

things that a real business does and the things that a real business does and the more of those things you can do the more more of those things you can do the more more of those things you can do the more likely you are to stay at the top likely you are to stay at the top likely you are to stay at the top regardless of your techniques or the

regardless of your techniques or the regardless of your techniques or the tools that you're using yeah I think you

tools that you're using yeah I think you tools that you're using yeah I think you just simplified it that I mean it's this

just simplified it that I mean it's this just simplified it that I mean it's this whole eat uh where you add personality

whole eat uh where you add personality whole eat uh where you add personality and realness to a site and um I think in

and realness to a site and um I think in and realness to a site and um I think in the space that I've operated and the space that I've operated and the space that I've operated and especially more in the online gambling especially more in the online gambling especially more in the online gambling space uh people have never wanted to put

space uh people have never wanted to put space uh people have never wanted to put any real faces behind it it's always

any real faces behind it it's always any real faces behind it it's always been aliases or nothing at all and I

been aliases or nothing at all and I been aliases or nothing at all and I think I'm starting to notice a change in

think I'm starting to notice a change in think I'm starting to notice a change in rankings rankings rankings um basically the sites that have been

um basically the sites that have been um basically the sites that have been cold and corporate are no longer in

cold and corporate are no longer in cold and corporate are no longer in they're they're being replaced by not

they're they're being replaced by not they're they're being replaced by not just streamers but people that add like

just streamers but people that add like just streamers but people that add like you know any type of realness or video

you know any type of realness or video you know any type of realness or video into their content oh for sure you see

into their content oh for sure you see into their content oh for sure you see it I was talking with some friends at

it I was talking with some friends at it I was talking with some friends at the last conference I was at and the

the last conference I was at and the the last conference I was at and the joke was uh eat is no problem if you're

joke was uh eat is no problem if you're joke was uh eat is no problem if you're a natural company

a natural company a natural company you know eat is done yeah you're just

you know eat is done yeah you're just you know eat is done yeah you're just doing the things that you know any sites

doing the things that you know any sites doing the things that you know any sites that have issues with eat are the ones

that have issues with eat are the ones that have issues with eat are the ones that are real companies or the ones that

that are real companies or the ones that that are real companies or the ones that don't want to show who they are or what

don't want to show who they are or what don't want to show who they are or what what company is actually behind that what company is actually behind that what company is actually behind that site those are the sites that actually site those are the sites that actually site those are the sites that actually eat issues and those are ones that get

eat issues and those are ones that get eat issues and those are ones that get hit by those things so

hit by those things so hit by those things so um tools and data aside because I think

um tools and data aside because I think um tools and data aside because I think once you get to a certain level that's

once you get to a certain level that's once you get to a certain level that's when you tip off the Google's gonna

when you tip off the Google's gonna when you tip off the Google's gonna check check you out they're not gonna check check you out they're not gonna check check you out they're not gonna waste time on a site that's you know

waste time on a site that's you know waste time on a site that's you know only getting 30 clicks a month but once

only getting 30 clicks a month but once only getting 30 clicks a month but once you get to the win you know you're in a

you get to the win you know you're in a you get to the win you know you're in a few hundred clicks a few thousand clicks

few hundred clicks a few thousand clicks few hundred clicks a few thousand clicks depending on the niche and what's kind depending on the niche and what's kind depending on the niche and what's kind of expected for traffic there that's

of expected for traffic there that's of expected for traffic there that's when I think you know it's not and if

when I think you know it's not and if when I think you know it's not and if it's a win and at that point you need to

it's a win and at that point you need to it's a win and at that point you need to have presented yourself as real as

have presented yourself as real as have presented yourself as real as possible and it's never taking just one

possible and it's never taking just one possible and it's never taking just one thing you know it's ever one thing it's

thing you know it's ever one thing it's thing you know it's ever one thing it's taking as many boxes as you can to

taking as many boxes as you can to taking as many boxes as you can to demonstrate that you know there's a real demonstrate that you know there's a real demonstrate that you know there's a real company that's responsible it's company that's responsible it's company that's responsible it's registered somewhere uh you know in a

registered somewhere uh you know in a registered somewhere uh you know in a jurisdiction it's definitely what it's

jurisdiction it's definitely what it's jurisdiction it's definitely what it's supposed to do as a business they're supposed to do as a business they're supposed to do as a business they're real people behind it who are known you

real people behind it who are known you real people behind it who are known you know I'm not in every situation the

know I'm not in every situation the know I'm not in every situation the people need to be known but the business people need to be known but the business people need to be known but the business entity needs to be known

entity needs to be known entity needs to be known uh and as much as a bat as you can show

uh and as much as a bat as you can show uh and as much as a bat as you can show the better and the more likely you are

the better and the more likely you are the better and the more likely you are to stay at the top kind of keep those

to stay at the top kind of keep those to stay at the top kind of keep those rankings that you attained

rankings that you attained rankings that you attained um by protecting yourself by showing um by protecting yourself by showing um by protecting yourself by showing that you're a real a real thing

that you're a real a real thing that you're a real a real thing So based on all of that would you say

So based on all of that would you say So based on all of that would you say that you know that I think there's that you know that I think there's that you know that I think there's always been Affiliates that if they can

always been Affiliates that if they can always been Affiliates that if they can blast out a thousand websites and

blast out a thousand websites and blast out a thousand websites and they're getting rankings whether the

they're getting rankings whether the they're getting rankings whether the experiment and it doesn't cost them a

experiment and it doesn't cost them a experiment and it doesn't cost them a lot uh maybe this is actually going to

lot uh maybe this is actually going to lot uh maybe this is actually going to stop a lot of this um uh what's the word

stop a lot of this um uh what's the word stop a lot of this um uh what's the word for it just like people trying to blast

for it just like people trying to blast for it just like people trying to blast out thousands of websites going let me

out thousands of websites going let me out thousands of websites going let me try to see if it works and if I can

try to see if it works and if I can try to see if it works and if I can cannibalize more rankings great I've

cannibalize more rankings great I've cannibalize more rankings great I've I've seen a lot of Affiliates actually I've seen a lot of Affiliates actually I've seen a lot of Affiliates actually make a lot of money from this but I'm

make a lot of money from this but I'm make a lot of money from this but I'm wondering if this part of their business

wondering if this part of their business wondering if this part of their business is actually going to suffer from it

is actually going to suffer from it is actually going to suffer from it I think you need to decide you know if

I think you need to decide you know if I think you need to decide you know if you're going to chase things that way

you're going to chase things that way you're going to chase things that way I think in the end you end up spending

I think in the end you end up spending I think in the end you end up spending the same amount of time and the same the same amount of time and the same the same amount of time and the same amount of money and earning the same

amount of money and earning the same amount of money and earning the same amount of money then if you had done a

amount of money then if you had done a amount of money then if you had done a long-term play so I think it's like how

long-term play so I think it's like how long-term play so I think it's like how simple will you are to ulcers is

simple will you are to ulcers is simple will you are to ulcers is probably the decision-making Factor

probably the decision-making Factor probably the decision-making Factor where you can live by a spike and die

where you can live by a spike and die where you can live by a spike and die and then bring it back again and then and then bring it back again and then and then bring it back again and then die and if you can live like that and die and if you can live like that and die and if you can live like that and and your heart can take it then then

and your heart can take it then then and your heart can take it then then maybe that's a that's a choice for you I

maybe that's a that's a choice for you I maybe that's a that's a choice for you I personally cannot I'm going to trim it

personally cannot I'm going to trim it personally cannot I'm going to trim it you know the long Evergreen approach and

you know the long Evergreen approach and you know the long Evergreen approach and I think honestly in the end you end up

I think honestly in the end you end up I think honestly in the end you end up at the same place you know the the

at the same place you know the the at the same place you know the the revenues are the same it's just one is a

revenues are the same it's just one is a revenues are the same it's just one is a little more sexy you know because you little more sexy you know because you little more sexy you know because you are uh I think that is oh you know it's

are uh I think that is oh you know it's are uh I think that is oh you know it's not you know when I show graphs my

not you know when I show graphs my not you know when I show graphs my graphs are not terribly sexy it's just

graphs are not terribly sexy it's just graphs are not terribly sexy it's just this long slow gain over a year rather

this long slow gain over a year rather this long slow gain over a year rather than this crazy Spike going up and we

than this crazy Spike going up and we than this crazy Spike going up and we you know we made a thousand dollars in

you know we made a thousand dollars in you know we made a thousand dollars in two minutes after launching the site I'm

two minutes after launching the site I'm two minutes after launching the site I'm never going to be in that situation so I

never going to be in that situation so I never going to be in that situation so I think it's kind of a decision on how you think it's kind of a decision on how you think it's kind of a decision on how you want to do it but in the end you'll want to do it but in the end you'll want to do it but in the end you'll probably end up in the same location or

probably end up in the same location or probably end up in the same location or same end result same end result same end result and I think we all know that uh people

and I think we all know that uh people and I think we all know that uh people that get an affiliate marketing or want

that get an affiliate marketing or want that get an affiliate marketing or want to get an affiliate marketing um they're

to get an affiliate marketing um they're to get an affiliate marketing um they're always looking for this how do I make a

always looking for this how do I make a always looking for this how do I make a lot of money in a short period of time lot of money in a short period of time lot of money in a short period of time with example effort and I want this

with example effort and I want this with example effort and I want this passive lifestyle that I think everyone

passive lifestyle that I think everyone passive lifestyle that I think everyone has which is not really a reality

has which is not really a reality has which is not really a reality no no like the as soon as you start

no no like the as soon as you start no no like the as soon as you start doing anything in the web there's this

doing anything in the web there's this doing anything in the web there's this like dream that you're working the four

like dream that you're working the four like dream that you're working the four hour work week right that's a lie like

hour work week right that's a lie like hour work week right that's a lie like um I'm fairly confident that he did not

um I'm fairly confident that he did not um I'm fairly confident that he did not write that book in four hours a week

write that book in four hours a week write that book in four hours a week yeah and therein lies the LIE yeah like

yeah and therein lies the LIE yeah like yeah and therein lies the LIE yeah like yeah that's like that to me that's the

yeah that's like that to me that's the yeah that's like that to me that's the most like disingenuous thing I've ever

most like disingenuous thing I've ever most like disingenuous thing I've ever heard in my entire life when you know heard in my entire life when you know heard in my entire life when you know that the work that he did to present that the work that he did to present that the work that he did to present that concept did not take four hours a

that concept did not take four hours a that concept did not take four hours a week but that said uh as soon as you get

week but that said uh as soon as you get week but that said uh as soon as you get online there is the appeal that I can online there is the appeal that I can online there is the appeal that I can work from anywhere I can work any hours work from anywhere I can work any hours work from anywhere I can work any hours you want just what you didn't realize as

you want just what you didn't realize as you want just what you didn't realize as any hours you want was 24. you know

any hours you want was 24. you know any hours you want was 24. you know that's and that's what you end up that's and that's what you end up that's and that's what you end up working in anything when once you get working in anything when once you get working in anything when once you get into online work

into online work into online work okay now I want to get into Data where

okay now I want to get into Data where okay now I want to get into Data where uh are you able to share any stories or

uh are you able to share any stories or uh are you able to share any stories or insights of some projects you work on

insights of some projects you work on insights of some projects you work on that where data or any tools uh kind of

that where data or any tools uh kind of that where data or any tools uh kind of revealed some insights or some big wins

revealed some insights or some big wins revealed some insights or some big wins like things that were just totally like things that were just totally like things that were just totally unexpected unexpected unexpected yeah so it's important to understand the

yeah so it's important to understand the yeah so it's important to understand the end goal when you're like uh doing any

end goal when you're like uh doing any end goal when you're like uh doing any kind of putting a project together

kind of putting a project together kind of putting a project together looking at any kind of data what are you

looking at any kind of data what are you looking at any kind of data what are you actually trying to do you know in the

actually trying to do you know in the actually trying to do you know in the end it's probably something related to

end it's probably something related to end it's probably something related to Traffic or or thereabouts I'm a reminder

Traffic or or thereabouts I'm a reminder Traffic or or thereabouts I'm a reminder of the story of um in the Space Race

of the story of um in the Space Race of the story of um in the Space Race um a pin doesn't work in space

um a pin doesn't work in space um a pin doesn't work in space and so uh the Americans spent a ton of

and so uh the Americans spent a ton of and so uh the Americans spent a ton of money to develop this amazing pen that

money to develop this amazing pen that money to develop this amazing pen that could actually write in space that could actually write in space that could actually write in space that actually writes underground or excuse me

actually writes underground or excuse me actually writes underground or excuse me underwater it writes through Greece it

underwater it writes through Greece it underwater it writes through Greece it writes in you know 200 degrees writes in you know 200 degrees writes in you know 200 degrees Fahrenheit it's absolutely unbelievable

Fahrenheit it's absolutely unbelievable Fahrenheit it's absolutely unbelievable and they spent millions and millions of and they spent millions and millions of and they spent millions and millions of dollars on it but there you have it you

dollars on it but there you have it you dollars on it but there you have it you know what the Soviets did know what the Soviets did know what the Soviets did they used a pencil

they used a pencil they used a pencil the goal wasn't I needed a pen to write

the goal wasn't I needed a pen to write the goal wasn't I needed a pen to write in Space the goal is I just need to in Space the goal is I just need to in Space the goal is I just need to write in space write in space write in space and the pencil works perfectly fine and

and the pencil works perfectly fine and and the pencil works perfectly fine and so when you think about that in SEO like

so when you think about that in SEO like so when you think about that in SEO like people want to do these amazing

people want to do these amazing people want to do these amazing things you know they want this Insight

things you know they want this Insight things you know they want this Insight that's out of control but really at the that's out of control but really at the that's out of control but really at the end of the day the result or what you

end of the day the result or what you end of the day the result or what you need is traffic and getting there is the

need is traffic and getting there is the need is traffic and getting there is the key one thing data wise that I found it

key one thing data wise that I found it key one thing data wise that I found it is a CTR by rank report

is a CTR by rank report is a CTR by rank report this is where you take all of your

this is where you take all of your this is where you take all of your keywords removing branded traffic take

keywords removing branded traffic take keywords removing branded traffic take all of your keywords and you can all of your keywords and you can all of your keywords and you can actually see how your site performs in

actually see how your site performs in actually see how your site performs in each position say one through ten and

each position say one through ten and each position say one through ten and what you'll find which is going to be an what you'll find which is going to be an what you'll find which is going to be an eye-opener for a lot of people is that eye-opener for a lot of people is that eye-opener for a lot of people is that it's nowhere near what the white paper it's nowhere near what the white paper it's nowhere near what the white paper say you're getting nowhere near

say you're getting nowhere near say you're getting nowhere near whatsoever I've never seen a site that

whatsoever I've never seen a site that whatsoever I've never seen a site that actually matches the the white papers

actually matches the the white papers actually matches the the white papers what they say like position one gets what they say like position one gets what they say like position one gets position two gets position three Goods

position two gets position three Goods position two gets position three Goods but that aside once you find your

but that aside once you find your but that aside once you find your averages like if you ever have a a

averages like if you ever have a a averages like if you ever have a a keyword in the fifth spot let's say just

keyword in the fifth spot let's say just keyword in the fifth spot let's say just as a number you should be getting an

as a number you should be getting an as a number you should be getting an eight percent click-through rate you can

eight percent click-through rate you can eight percent click-through rate you can go through and look at all your keywords

go through and look at all your keywords go through and look at all your keywords that are ranking in the fist bot and

that are ranking in the fist bot and that are ranking in the fist bot and what you might find is something that's what you might find is something that's what you might find is something that's ranking like SEC uh getting two or three

ranking like SEC uh getting two or three ranking like SEC uh getting two or three percent click to rate which meaning percent click to rate which meaning percent click to rate which meaning you're leaving like five or six percent you're leaving like five or six percent you're leaving like five or six percent on the tape you can then go back through

on the tape you can then go back through on the tape you can then go back through and that's probably just tweaking a

and that's probably just tweaking a and that's probably just tweaking a title or a meta description to match the

title or a meta description to match the title or a meta description to match the intent of the search and so the idea is

intent of the search and so the idea is intent of the search and so the idea is you didn't do anything really crazy you didn't do anything really crazy you didn't do anything really crazy fancy but you're just taking advantage

fancy but you're just taking advantage fancy but you're just taking advantage of the traffic you should be getting

of the traffic you should be getting of the traffic you should be getting based on the work that you did and this

based on the work that you did and this based on the work that you did and this is data analysis that I love because

is data analysis that I love because is data analysis that I love because then you can go in and get these gains

then you can go in and get these gains then you can go in and get these gains of like one two percent a month over the

of like one two percent a month over the of like one two percent a month over the span of a year and not even really do

span of a year and not even really do span of a year and not even really do SEO SEO SEO you know you're actually just getting you know you're actually just getting you know you're actually just getting the clicks that you should be getting the clicks that you should be getting the clicks that you should be getting and this type of data I think is wildly

and this type of data I think is wildly and this type of data I think is wildly insightful as the kind of thing that

insightful as the kind of thing that insightful as the kind of thing that will give you that kind of Evergreen will give you that kind of Evergreen will give you that kind of Evergreen growth while you're doing all your other

growth while you're doing all your other growth while you're doing all your other things you know while you're doing it

things you know while you're doing it things you know while you're doing it it's it's simple it's easy it's it's it's simple it's easy it's it's it's simple it's easy it's straightforward it turns into huge gains

straightforward it turns into huge gains straightforward it turns into huge gains wow you've just simplified it so much

wow you've just simplified it so much wow you've just simplified it so much that it's uh when everyone spends so

that it's uh when everyone spends so that it's uh when everyone spends so much time on analysis and Analysis

much time on analysis and Analysis much time on analysis and Analysis paralysis it's uh here's a low-hanging

paralysis it's uh here's a low-hanging paralysis it's uh here's a low-hanging fruit that probably might be the most

fruit that probably might be the most fruit that probably might be the most important thing you could actually do on important thing you could actually do on important thing you could actually do on on anything for your website every site

on anything for your website every site on anything for your website every site every site has this too all of them it's

every site has this too all of them it's every site has this too all of them it's really great you can go right in it's really great you can go right in it's really great you can go right in it's one of the things when you're looking one of the things when you're looking one of the things when you're looking for like a quick win right now situation

for like a quick win right now situation for like a quick win right now situation this is it now what can we do what do we

this is it now what can we do what do we this is it now what can we do what do we add to our our tool belt that we can do

add to our our tool belt that we can do add to our our tool belt that we can do every month that is going to bring every month that is going to bring every month that is going to bring returns and this is it

returns and this is it returns and this is it all right got a little bit of homework

all right got a little bit of homework all right got a little bit of homework too but uh not a lot

too but uh not a lot too but uh not a lot uh next question I've got is I mean

uh next question I've got is I mean uh next question I've got is I mean everyone's talking about AI everything

everyone's talking about AI everything everyone's talking about AI everything uh what are some interesting experiments

uh what are some interesting experiments uh what are some interesting experiments or tools that you see that combine AI

or tools that you see that combine AI or tools that you see that combine AI with SEO and maybe beyond the content

with SEO and maybe beyond the content with SEO and maybe beyond the content one thing that we're working on right

one thing that we're working on right one thing that we're working on right now with uh AI is forecasting models

now with uh AI is forecasting models now with uh AI is forecasting models and what we're doing in particular is

and what we're doing in particular is and what we're doing in particular is when you've got a page that has some when you've got a page that has some when you've got a page that has some data data data um you know let's say you've got a page um you know let's say you've got a page um you know let's say you've got a page on page two right and you've got all

on page two right and you've got all on page two right and you've got all these things and the idea be of course

these things and the idea be of course these things and the idea be of course let's work on that and see if we can let's work on that and see if we can let's work on that and see if we can push it up to page one something that

push it up to page one something that push it up to page one something that we're working on is an Roi model where

we're working on is an Roi model where we're working on is an Roi model where should we do that in the first place if should we do that in the first place if should we do that in the first place if we push to page one what's the likely

we push to page one what's the likely we push to page one what's the likely outcome how much more traffic could we

outcome how much more traffic could we outcome how much more traffic could we anticipate and then from that traffic

anticipate and then from that traffic anticipate and then from that traffic how much revenue can we get and this is

how much revenue can we get and this is how much revenue can we get and this is really kind of helping us make the really kind of helping us make the really kind of helping us make the decision of is it worth it to go for it

decision of is it worth it to go for it decision of is it worth it to go for it so I think on a base level a lot of

so I think on a base level a lot of so I think on a base level a lot of people will be like well it's on page people will be like well it's on page people will be like well it's on page two or it's on page three let's see if two or it's on page three let's see if two or it's on page three let's see if we can fight to move it up because it's

we can fight to move it up because it's we can fight to move it up because it's so close but I want to go one more level

so close but I want to go one more level so close but I want to go one more level because resources are finite you don't

because resources are finite you don't because resources are finite you don't have unlimited time budget uh or or

have unlimited time budget uh or or have unlimited time budget uh or or whatever but so we want to make as the

whatever but so we want to make as the whatever but so we want to make as the best informed decisions that we can and

best informed decisions that we can and best informed decisions that we can and so this is something that we're playing so this is something that we're playing so this is something that we're playing with right now is a forecasting model

with right now is a forecasting model with right now is a forecasting model with AI to say like okay these are

with AI to say like okay these are with AI to say like okay these are actually of the 10 pages that are on

actually of the 10 pages that are on actually of the 10 pages that are on page two these are the three that page two these are the three that page two these are the three that actually have the best opportunity for

actually have the best opportunity for actually have the best opportunity for traffic and revenue and those are the

traffic and revenue and those are the traffic and revenue and those are the ones we're gonna Focus

ones we're gonna Focus ones we're gonna Focus that's an interesting take I mean uh I

that's an interesting take I mean uh I that's an interesting take I mean uh I think when everyone just thinks about Ai

think when everyone just thinks about Ai think when everyone just thinks about Ai and SEO they're just thinking about

and SEO they're just thinking about and SEO they're just thinking about automated content and I think there's a

automated content and I think there's a automated content and I think there's a lot of people that they're doing it in a

lot of people that they're doing it in a lot of people that they're doing it in a pretty lazy way where it's like let's pretty lazy way where it's like let's pretty lazy way where it's like let's just use straight up chat GPT write an

just use straight up chat GPT write an just use straight up chat GPT write an article paste it and you know wondering

article paste it and you know wondering article paste it and you know wondering why things aren't working

why things aren't working why things aren't working that's a fast track to disaster I think

that's a fast track to disaster I think that's a fast track to disaster I think um where and Google's already dealt with

um where and Google's already dealt with um where and Google's already dealt with this issue by the way that if people this issue by the way that if people this issue by the way that if people aren't aware of the genitive AI

aren't aware of the genitive AI aren't aware of the genitive AI is a language model that's guessing at

is a language model that's guessing at is a language model that's guessing at the correct word that should come next

the correct word that should come next the correct word that should come next as do anyway that's basically a fancy

as do anyway that's basically a fancy as do anyway that's basically a fancy spinner this is Spinner Chief from 2012.

spinner this is Spinner Chief from 2012. spinner this is Spinner Chief from 2012. that we are all playing with back in the

that we are all playing with back in the that we are all playing with back in the day day day it is just a nicer version of that it's

it is just a nicer version of that it's it is just a nicer version of that it's it's a much more advanced version for

it's a much more advanced version for it's a much more advanced version for sure but it is at the end of the day

sure but it is at the end of the day sure but it is at the end of the day just a spinner and Google's already just a spinner and Google's already just a spinner and Google's already dealt with dealt with dealt with um duplicate content you know as soon as

um duplicate content you know as soon as um duplicate content you know as soon as they realize that this isn't anything they realize that this isn't anything they realize that this isn't anything adding anything new to the conversation

adding anything new to the conversation adding anything new to the conversation it starts to devalue the content it

it starts to devalue the content it it starts to devalue the content it starts to devalue the site and so once

starts to devalue the site and so once starts to devalue the site and so once that I can identify it's not upset that

that I can identify it's not upset that that I can identify it's not upset that you're using AI content it's upset that you're using AI content it's upset that you're using AI content it's upset that you haven't added anything to that and

you haven't added anything to that and you haven't added anything to that and as a result you just fall into that as a result you just fall into that as a result you just fall into that duplicate content uh mechanism that

duplicate content uh mechanism that duplicate content uh mechanism that Google already has in place to devalue

Google already has in place to devalue Google already has in place to devalue your content so using it for that just

your content so using it for that just your content so using it for that just in its pure sense is is a straight

in its pure sense is is a straight in its pure sense is is a straight recipe for disaster I would try to find

recipe for disaster I would try to find recipe for disaster I would try to find some other way to use AI

some other way to use AI some other way to use AI um than just that yeah basically it's

um than just that yeah basically it's um than just that yeah basically it's like in terms of like hiring content

like in terms of like hiring content like in terms of like hiring content writers um I think what a lot of people

writers um I think what a lot of people writers um I think what a lot of people have done like it's almost like the same

have done like it's almost like the same have done like it's almost like the same analogy as using chat GPT to write your

analogy as using chat GPT to write your analogy as using chat GPT to write your content they'll go can I get the

content they'll go can I get the content they'll go can I get the cheapest writer I can find that maybe

cheapest writer I can find that maybe cheapest writer I can find that maybe isn't an expert in that field and

isn't an expert in that field and isn't an expert in that field and they're paying them like you know one they're paying them like you know one they're paying them like you know one cent per word type of thing and they're

cent per word type of thing and they're cent per word type of thing and they're going okay I'm gonna fill out like I'm

going okay I'm gonna fill out like I'm going okay I'm gonna fill out like I'm gonna get like 10 pages done per day

gonna get like 10 pages done per day gonna get like 10 pages done per day spend the least amount of money and I'm

spend the least amount of money and I'm spend the least amount of money and I'm gonna make it just a straight up guess

gonna make it just a straight up guess gonna make it just a straight up guess that you would say don't do that spend

that you would say don't do that spend that you would say don't do that spend more money get quality writer and

more money get quality writer and more money get quality writer and basically take a slower quality approach

basically take a slower quality approach basically take a slower quality approach rather than I just see people blasting a

rather than I just see people blasting a rather than I just see people blasting a low quality content all the time and I'm

low quality content all the time and I'm low quality content all the time and I'm gonna put my hand up I've been guilty of gonna put my hand up I've been guilty of gonna put my hand up I've been guilty of that in the past and when it's not worth that in the past and when it's not worth that in the past and when it's not worth them I can't do this again

them I can't do this again them I can't do this again so I wouldn't spend my money on the

so I wouldn't spend my money on the so I wouldn't spend my money on the writer I would spend my money on the

writer I would spend my money on the writer I would spend my money on the editor editor editor so a way to put your content together

so a way to put your content together so a way to put your content together would be if you had say you know a bunch

would be if you had say you know a bunch would be if you had say you know a bunch of writers from the Philippines who

of writers from the Philippines who of writers from the Philippines who write excellent English uh but it might

write excellent English uh but it might write excellent English uh but it might not be the most polished article you've

not be the most polished article you've not be the most polished article you've ever seen the the key is in the right is

ever seen the the key is in the right is ever seen the the key is in the right is in the editor the person that can take

in the editor the person that can take in the editor the person that can take that and edit for tone voice facts and

that and edit for tone voice facts and that and edit for tone voice facts and uniqueness and that's what you mean

uniqueness and that's what you mean uniqueness and that's what you mean that's where you want to spend your that's where you want to spend your that's where you want to spend your money what I think something like a chat

money what I think something like a chat money what I think something like a chat GPT or or generative AI has done is you

GPT or or generative AI has done is you GPT or or generative AI has done is you might be able to get rid of that initial might be able to get rid of that initial might be able to get rid of that initial step and you could use it for that first

step and you could use it for that first step and you could use it for that first step that first draft where you might

step that first draft where you might step that first draft where you might have been spending three four cents a

have been spending three four cents a have been spending three four cents a word you could actually take that down word you could actually take that down word you could actually take that down to fractions of ascent a word and then

to fractions of ascent a word and then to fractions of ascent a word and then spend more on the editor to come in and

spend more on the editor to come in and spend more on the editor to come in and make it that unique article that's on

make it that unique article that's on make it that unique article that's on brand on point n is factual and so what

brand on point n is factual and so what brand on point n is factual and so what I would do in this situation I think I would do in this situation I think I would do in this situation I think it's an opportunity to maybe spend more

it's an opportunity to maybe spend more it's an opportunity to maybe spend more money on your Editor to get somebody on

money on your Editor to get somebody on money on your Editor to get somebody on that end that's a little bit better than that end that's a little bit better than that end that's a little bit better than maybe that original first draft you're

maybe that original first draft you're maybe that original first draft you're paying a little bit more for paying a little bit more for paying a little bit more for interesting

interesting interesting um I've had a couple people on this

um I've had a couple people on this um I've had a couple people on this podcast that uh they do data courses and

podcast that uh they do data courses and podcast that uh they do data courses and I think your internet marketing gold

I think your internet marketing gold I think your internet marketing gold courses maybe aren't necessarily Focus

courses maybe aren't necessarily Focus courses maybe aren't necessarily Focus as much on data but I mean it is like I

as much on data but I mean it is like I as much on data but I mean it is like I think uh the tagline is like it's like think uh the tagline is like it's like think uh the tagline is like it's like the Netflix for SEO so I just want to

the Netflix for SEO so I just want to the Netflix for SEO so I just want to talk about like what would you say say

talk about like what would you say say talk about like what would you say say are the most interesting courses there

are the most interesting courses there are the most interesting courses there for someone getting started in affiliate

for someone getting started in affiliate for someone getting started in affiliate marketing going okay where do I where do

marketing going okay where do I where do marketing going okay where do I where do I start like what do I look at

I start like what do I look at I start like what do I look at well you know actually two things on

well you know actually two things on well you know actually two things on that we do have a data for SEO course

that we do have a data for SEO course that we do have a data for SEO course that's focused on things that you can

that's focused on things that you can that's focused on things that you can pull in from say a Google analytics or

pull in from say a Google analytics or pull in from say a Google analytics or from a search console into Google Sheets

from a search console into Google Sheets from a search console into Google Sheets and make your own data which I think is

and make your own data which I think is and make your own data which I think is a huge first step forward and I think

a huge first step forward and I think a huge first step forward and I think very liberating I mentioned before about

very liberating I mentioned before about very liberating I mentioned before about using something like data for SEO a

using something like data for SEO a using something like data for SEO a first step would just be incorporating

first step would just be incorporating first step would just be incorporating like say search console into a Google

like say search console into a Google like say search console into a Google sheet and getting the data in the way

sheet and getting the data in the way sheet and getting the data in the way that you need it to make informed that you need it to make informed that you need it to make informed decisions that right there is going to decisions that right there is going to decisions that right there is going to take you up take you up take you up several runs on the SEO ladder in terms

several runs on the SEO ladder in terms several runs on the SEO ladder in terms of your ability it also gives you IP at

of your ability it also gives you IP at of your ability it also gives you IP at that point you actually have something

that point you actually have something that point you actually have something physical that you have created and that

physical that you have created and that physical that you have created and that actually gives you you're working actually gives you you're working actually gives you you're working towards a real company that can actually towards a real company that can actually towards a real company that can actually be sold at that point

be sold at that point be sold at that point um so we have we have that right there um so we have we have that right there um so we have we have that right there we have a few courses on affiliate

we have a few courses on affiliate we have a few courses on affiliate marketing as well some that are on the

marketing as well some that are on the marketing as well some that are on the basic side of your beginner side like

basic side of your beginner side like basic side of your beginner side like how do I get into this versus some that

how do I get into this versus some that how do I get into this versus some that are a little launching one this month are a little launching one this month are a little launching one this month now I think about it next month when

now I think about it next month when now I think about it next month when this comes out okay nice I mean today

this comes out okay nice I mean today this comes out okay nice I mean today exactly

exactly exactly I'm sure people know they're a bit of a I'm sure people know they're a bit of a I'm sure people know they're a bit of a lag when these things are recorded

lag when these things are recorded lag when these things are recorded versus when they come out but in August

versus when they come out but in August versus when they come out but in August um now we've got a really nice affiliate

um now we've got a really nice affiliate um now we've got a really nice affiliate course coming out that looks pretty course coming out that looks pretty course coming out that looks pretty sweet sweet sweet um so there we kind of cover the gamma um so there we kind of cover the gamma um so there we kind of cover the gamma in terms of that and then you can kind

in terms of that and then you can kind in terms of that and then you can kind of put tools in the tool belt as well

of put tools in the tool belt as well of put tools in the tool belt as well on a lot of different topics

on a lot of different topics on a lot of different topics um if you like white hat work I have a

um if you like white hat work I have a um if you like white hat work I have a white hat course that people like my

white hat course that people like my white hat course that people like my on-page course is really what I'm known on-page course is really what I'm known on-page course is really what I'm known for as well and you can really get in

for as well and you can really get in for as well and you can really get in the weeds I'm not hate you probably

the weeds I'm not hate you probably the weeds I'm not hate you probably you're looking it's a Tuesday night and

you're looking it's a Tuesday night and you're looking it's a Tuesday night and you're looking to get some sleep you can you're looking to get some sleep you can you're looking to get some sleep you can learn some SEO but that's a good one to

learn some SEO but that's a good one to learn some SEO but that's a good one to turn on right there but yeah so we kind

turn on right there but yeah so we kind turn on right there but yeah so we kind of cover a lot of it

of cover a lot of it of cover a lot of it um from all all angles I think in terms

um from all all angles I think in terms um from all all angles I think in terms of where you're at in your SEO journey

of where you're at in your SEO journey of where you're at in your SEO journey and what you're looking to to do

and what you're looking to to do and what you're looking to to do going back to a Google search console

going back to a Google search console going back to a Google search console and talking about like all the different and talking about like all the different and talking about like all the different reports you can get would you uh like do

reports you can get would you uh like do reports you can get would you uh like do you make use of like tools like diverse

you make use of like tools like diverse you make use of like tools like diverse tools like looker where you can build tools like looker where you can build tools like looker where you can build your own dashboards would you say I

your own dashboards would you say I your own dashboards would you say I understand that's that would be a good understand that's that would be a good understand that's that would be a good exercise for someone to do where you're

exercise for someone to do where you're exercise for someone to do where you're kind of like like you said you're kind of like like you said you're kind of like like you said you're building that IP where look at something

building that IP where look at something building that IP where look at something you can share to a potential owner and

you can share to a potential owner and you can share to a potential owner and it's not even just doing that it's

it's not even just doing that it's it's not even just doing that it's basically look have it have your own

basically look have it have your own basically look have it have your own dashboard of going what's important for

dashboard of going what's important for dashboard of going what's important for you to look at on your own site as

you to look at on your own site as you to look at on your own site as opposed to opposed to opposed to analytics and uh search console I mean

analytics and uh search console I mean analytics and uh search console I mean they're great but you have to dig in

they're great but you have to dig in they're great but you have to dig in your Situation's not going to be the

your Situation's not going to be the your Situation's not going to be the same as someone else's so that's why we

same as someone else's so that's why we same as someone else's so that's why we don't make standardized templates that's

don't make standardized templates that's don't make standardized templates that's 100 right and the other thing is there's

100 right and the other thing is there's 100 right and the other thing is there's probably you know as you look at a

probably you know as you look at a probably you know as you look at a website there's probably five ten things

website there's probably five ten things website there's probably five ten things you need to look at right when you're you need to look at right when you're you need to look at right when you're checking the health of your website when

checking the health of your website when checking the health of your website when you're checking you're checking you're checking um where should we go or which we do um where should we go or which we do um where should we go or which we do there you probably are already doing there you probably are already doing there you probably are already doing this you can SLP that into a looker

this you can SLP that into a looker this you can SLP that into a looker Studio data Studio I always I forget

Studio data Studio I always I forget Studio data Studio I always I forget they call it looker studio now

they call it looker studio now they call it looker studio now um report and you probably save yourself

um report and you probably save yourself um report and you probably save yourself a lot of time at a minimum you know

a lot of time at a minimum you know a lot of time at a minimum you know instead of like clicking around the

instead of like clicking around the instead of like clicking around the other things you can get and a report

other things you can get and a report other things you can get and a report emailed to you that has the information

emailed to you that has the information emailed to you that has the information that you want in it immediately so if

that you want in it immediately so if that you want in it immediately so if that's going to just take time away and

that's going to just take time away and that's going to just take time away and then once you've got it focused into on

then once you've got it focused into on then once you've got it focused into on what you're looking for uh you can make

what you're looking for uh you can make what you're looking for uh you can make much faster decisions much more informed

much faster decisions much more informed much faster decisions much more informed decisions and you can start comparing decisions and you can start comparing decisions and you can start comparing that a little bit better too so that a little bit better too so that a little bit better too so intuitively we probably compare things

intuitively we probably compare things intuitively we probably compare things just like oh I remember looking at this just like oh I remember looking at this just like oh I remember looking at this yesterday and look like this and I'm yesterday and look like this and I'm yesterday and look like this and I'm looking at today and looks like that but

looking at today and looks like that but looking at today and looks like that but it's a lot better when you have the data

it's a lot better when you have the data it's a lot better when you have the data to really instead of a gut instinct

to really instead of a gut instinct to really instead of a gut instinct comparison to actually have the

comparison to actually have the comparison to actually have the comparison data and you can put that comparison data and you can put that comparison data and you can put that into a looker Studio or if you don't

into a looker Studio or if you don't into a looker Studio or if you don't even want that fancy included into a even want that fancy included into a even want that fancy included into a Google sheet

Google sheet Google sheet um very easily and and get it crafted in

um very easily and and get it crafted in um very easily and and get it crafted in the way that you need to see it so it the way that you need to see it so it the way that you need to see it so it makes sense to you and what would be

makes sense to you and what would be makes sense to you and what would be your quick guess of what percentage of

your quick guess of what percentage of your quick guess of what percentage of Affiliates out there that do stuff like

Affiliates out there that do stuff like Affiliates out there that do stuff like this this this point zero zero one yeah that might be

point zero zero one yeah that might be point zero zero one yeah that might be generous but that's not that's not

generous but that's not that's not generous but that's not that's not endemic to Affiliates though that's just

endemic to Affiliates though that's just endemic to Affiliates though that's just seos yeah the the thing that about SEO

seos yeah the the thing that about SEO seos yeah the the thing that about SEO is that it's it's such a low bar to

is that it's it's such a low bar to is that it's it's such a low bar to entry essentially I mean nobody has a

entry essentially I mean nobody has a entry essentially I mean nobody has a degree in SEO you know and you didn't

degree in SEO you know and you didn't degree in SEO you know and you didn't have to get anybody's permission no

have to get anybody's permission no have to get anybody's permission no there's no licensing for it it's simply

there's no licensing for it it's simply there's no licensing for it it's simply I'm doing it now which is great on the

I'm doing it now which is great on the I'm doing it now which is great on the one hand because I know I had no

one hand because I know I had no one hand because I know I had no qualifications other than I would like qualifications other than I would like qualifications other than I would like to be an SEO now when I started but

to be an SEO now when I started but to be an SEO now when I started but um because there aren't any industry um because there aren't any industry um because there aren't any industry standards there aren't any industry

standards there aren't any industry standards there aren't any industry standards on how you should hold

standards on how you should hold standards on how you should hold yourself as a professional or what you

yourself as a professional or what you yourself as a professional or what you should be accountable for and those are

should be accountable for and those are should be accountable for and those are the things you need to create and so

the things you need to create and so the things you need to create and so while that's

while that's while that's wait for the bar to entry would have to

wait for the bar to entry would have to wait for the bar to entry would have to rise to the top because they they do

rise to the top because they they do rise to the top because they they do those things you know and the ones that

those things you know and the ones that those things you know and the ones that really found her or struggle or end up

really found her or struggle or end up really found her or struggle or end up giving up are I can tell you they're the

giving up are I can tell you they're the giving up are I can tell you they're the ones that aren't doing those things for ones that aren't doing those things for ones that aren't doing those things for sure makes sense uh next question I have

sure makes sense uh next question I have sure makes sense uh next question I have it's kind of something I I touched upon

it's kind of something I I touched upon it's kind of something I I touched upon earlier about talking about you know how

earlier about talking about you know how earlier about talking about you know how seos get to the top and you know is I

seos get to the top and you know is I seos get to the top and you know is I know in igaming a lot of people say like

know in igaming a lot of people say like know in igaming a lot of people say like this SEO space is kind of saturated and

this SEO space is kind of saturated and this SEO space is kind of saturated and I think with uh regardless of what chat

I think with uh regardless of what chat I think with uh regardless of what chat CPT is doing for Content I think we see

CPT is doing for Content I think we see CPT is doing for Content I think we see like an immense amount of content being

like an immense amount of content being like an immense amount of content being produced if you think uh this space is

produced if you think uh this space is produced if you think uh this space is possibly a little saturated what other

possibly a little saturated what other possibly a little saturated what other marketing or content channels do you

marketing or content channels do you marketing or content channels do you think affiliate should pay attention to

think affiliate should pay attention to think affiliate should pay attention to first though I disagree with the premise

first though I disagree with the premise first though I disagree with the premise I don't think it's saturated and I

I don't think it's saturated and I I don't think it's saturated and I really enjoy when something like Chad

really enjoy when something like Chad really enjoy when something like Chad GPT comes out because I don't know how

GPT comes out because I don't know how GPT comes out because I don't know how old you are but if you can remember back

old you are but if you can remember back old you are but if you can remember back to um February 2023

to um February 2023 to um February 2023 um SEO is about to die

um SEO is about to die um SEO is about to die and we're we're past that and somehow it

and we're we're past that and somehow it and we're we're past that and somehow it has I've been doing SEO for over a

has I've been doing SEO for over a has I've been doing SEO for over a decade every six months SEO is dying but

decade every six months SEO is dying but decade every six months SEO is dying but what happens is is it's usually dying in

what happens is is it's usually dying in what happens is is it's usually dying in a slow death and then I'd say there are

a slow death and then I'd say there are a slow death and then I'd say there are three or four moments I can remember three or four moments I can remember three or four moments I can remember that um where something was really

that um where something was really that um where something was really killing it and in each of those moments

killing it and in each of those moments killing it and in each of those moments there was a contraction of seos and

there was a contraction of seos and there was a contraction of seos and service providers and people that were service providers and people that were service providers and people that were in the game and in those moments I

in the game and in those moments I in the game and in those moments I realized that some people you know

realized that some people you know realized that some people you know businesses fail in the best of times and

businesses fail in the best of times and businesses fail in the best of times and then when they're stressed and more fail

then when they're stressed and more fail then when they're stressed and more fail faster and it's very true within within

faster and it's very true within within faster and it's very true within within SEO seos are failing all the time even

SEO seos are failing all the time even SEO seos are failing all the time even in up economies uh when there is any

in up economies uh when there is any in up economies uh when there is any kind of stress any kind of down economy

kind of stress any kind of down economy kind of stress any kind of down economy any kind of other external Factor you

any kind of other external Factor you any kind of other external Factor you will see more of a contraction what I've

will see more of a contraction what I've will see more of a contraction what I've found in those situations which I think found in those situations which I think found in those situations which I think we're experiencing right now is that I

we're experiencing right now is that I we're experiencing right now is that I make more money because more people are

make more money because more people are make more money because more people are falling away they're thinking it's not

falling away they're thinking it's not falling away they're thinking it's not worth it they don't know how to Pivot

worth it they don't know how to Pivot worth it they don't know how to Pivot the they were struggling to begin with

the they were struggling to begin with the they were struggling to begin with and now this is just one more thing that and now this is just one more thing that and now this is just one more thing that they can handle or really does tank they can handle or really does tank they can handle or really does tank their business and so in these

their business and so in these their business and so in these situations of uncertainty that's when

situations of uncertainty that's when situations of uncertainty that's when um you can really make a lot of money um you can really make a lot of money um you can really make a lot of money and you can be really be successful and you can be really be successful and you can be really be successful because I think there's a contraction of

because I think there's a contraction of because I think there's a contraction of people that are service providers people

people that are service providers people people that are service providers people that are doing their own SEO people are that are doing their own SEO people are that are doing their own SEO people are doing their own affiliate sites for sure doing their own affiliate sites for sure doing their own affiliate sites for sure so I do disagree with the premise

so I do disagree with the premise so I do disagree with the premise slightly that it's saturated that said

slightly that it's saturated that said slightly that it's saturated that said um in terms of channels I've always

um in terms of channels I've always um in terms of channels I've always found it interesting that people never

found it interesting that people never found it interesting that people never look at their own serps

look at their own serps look at their own serps you know they will put their keywords

you know they will put their keywords you know they will put their keywords into tools and they'll get their data

into tools and they'll get their data into tools and they'll get their data out of it but at the end of the day they out of it but at the end of the day they out of it but at the end of the day they never actually go and look

never actually go and look never actually go and look at the actual thing and that's dangerous

at the actual thing and that's dangerous at the actual thing and that's dangerous because you're going to miss what's

because you're going to miss what's because you're going to miss what's there what's what's obviously in front

there what's what's obviously in front there what's what's obviously in front of you and a lot of serbs have a lot of

of you and a lot of serbs have a lot of of you and a lot of serbs have a lot of features that people don't take features that people don't take features that people don't take advantage of advantage of advantage of you know they uh there's like carousels

you know they uh there's like carousels you know they uh there's like carousels there's the people who also ask you know

there's the people who also ask you know there's the people who also ask you know there might be Snippets there might be a

there might be Snippets there might be a there might be Snippets there might be a new feature for your you know there

new feature for your you know there new feature for your you know there might be four or five features available

might be four or five features available might be four or five features available on each serp and they're often not

on each serp and they're often not on each serp and they're often not optimizing to potentially get into those

optimizing to potentially get into those optimizing to potentially get into those areas because they never really took the

areas because they never really took the areas because they never really took the time to look

time to look time to look and so uh I do think there are external

and so uh I do think there are external and so uh I do think there are external things you can do but the very first things you can do but the very first things you can do but the very first thing is you're already working hard for

thing is you're already working hard for thing is you're already working hard for this keyword you're already trying to this keyword you're already trying to this keyword you're already trying to get into this cluster look what's and

get into this cluster look what's and get into this cluster look what's and see what's there because there are see what's there because there are see what's there because there are probably two or three other channels

probably two or three other channels probably two or three other channels that you're missing that wouldn't take

that you're missing that wouldn't take that you're missing that wouldn't take that much more work or you might be able

that much more work or you might be able that much more work or you might be able to land in a couple more of them and

to land in a couple more of them and to land in a couple more of them and that's just going to increase your that's just going to increase your that's just going to increase your traffic right then and there without

traffic right then and there without traffic right then and there without doing any extra extra heavy lifting or

doing any extra extra heavy lifting or doing any extra extra heavy lifting or trying to find a new way to do it

trying to find a new way to do it trying to find a new way to do it if you want platforms outside I think

if you want platforms outside I think if you want platforms outside I think you do need to figure out where your you do need to figure out where your you do need to figure out where your audience is and then go to that place so

audience is and then go to that place so audience is and then go to that place so I'm by and large I provide services I

I'm by and large I provide services I I'm by and large I provide services I provide tools I provide education my

provide tools I provide education my provide tools I provide education my audience is on LinkedIn and and we crush

audience is on LinkedIn and and we crush audience is on LinkedIn and and we crush it on LinkedIn my posts get 10 000 to

it on LinkedIn my posts get 10 000 to it on LinkedIn my posts get 10 000 to 100 000 views when we put them up when

100 000 views when we put them up when 100 000 views when we put them up when we're then we do it in an educational

we're then we do it in an educational we're then we do it in an educational way just giving information this is way just giving information this is way just giving information this is Kyle's thoughts essentially in like

Kyle's thoughts essentially in like Kyle's thoughts essentially in like little short videos those have been

little short videos those have been little short videos those have been wildly popular that's not for everyone a

wildly popular that's not for everyone a wildly popular that's not for everyone a lot of people going to LinkedIn and they lot of people going to LinkedIn and they lot of people going to LinkedIn and they can't do it they don't get anything out

can't do it they don't get anything out can't do it they don't get anything out of it because I would think Their

of it because I would think Their of it because I would think Their audience might not be there Their

audience might not be there Their audience might not be there Their audience is somewhere uh and it might

audience is somewhere uh and it might audience is somewhere uh and it might even be you know tangential

even be you know tangential even be you know tangential um something I've always wanted to do is

um something I've always wanted to do is um something I've always wanted to do is to like get like a little old lady blue

to like get like a little old lady blue to like get like a little old lady blue hair site hair site hair site and put it up to run Bingo ads

and put it up to run Bingo ads and put it up to run Bingo ads you know like you know or but you know

you know like you know or but you know you know like you know or but you know what I mean like you know ultimately I

what I mean like you know ultimately I what I mean like you know ultimately I want the Bingo traffic but where is my

want the Bingo traffic but where is my want the Bingo traffic but where is my audience well they're probably buying uh

audience well they're probably buying uh audience well they're probably buying uh Cosmetics beauty products what are they

Cosmetics beauty products what are they Cosmetics beauty products what are they buying okay I'll do a site and I just

buying okay I'll do a site and I just buying okay I'll do a site and I just want that site to break even on the hair

want that site to break even on the hair want that site to break even on the hair dye so I can run my bingo ads you know

dye so I can run my bingo ads you know dye so I can run my bingo ads you know so like there's probably a place where

so like there's probably a place where so like there's probably a place where your audience is and there's a platform

your audience is and there's a platform your audience is and there's a platform where they're living and even though

where they're living and even though where they're living and even though it's not a direct to what you were

it's not a direct to what you were it's not a direct to what you were trying to sell them you can probably get trying to sell them you can probably get trying to sell them you can probably get in front of them there and so that's

in front of them there and so that's in front of them there and so that's what I would try to ponder where is my

what I would try to ponder where is my what I would try to ponder where is my audience what are they doing at 1pm in

audience what are they doing at 1pm in audience what are they doing at 1pm in the afternoon on Tuesday

the afternoon on Tuesday the afternoon on Tuesday you know where might that be and then I

you know where might that be and then I you know where might that be and then I want to go to that place so that's how I

want to go to that place so that's how I want to go to that place so that's how I would kind of look at that other traffic would kind of look at that other traffic would kind of look at that other traffic you might be able to get yeah I think uh

you might be able to get yeah I think uh you might be able to get yeah I think uh you know talking about like you know you know talking about like you know you know talking about like you know what percent of people do the extra

what percent of people do the extra what percent of people do the extra homework or the the extra lifting it

homework or the the extra lifting it homework or the the extra lifting it kind of comes full circle to go well how

kind of comes full circle to go well how kind of comes full circle to go well how many people are actually even spend any many people are actually even spend any many people are actually even spend any time thinking about their actual time thinking about their actual time thinking about their actual audience like the way you articulated

audience like the way you articulated audience like the way you articulated you made it sound so simple but I think

you made it sound so simple but I think you made it sound so simple but I think uh in my experience of uh watching

uh in my experience of uh watching uh in my experience of uh watching people get into the gambling affiliate

people get into the gambling affiliate people get into the gambling affiliate space uh they just go after the biggest

space uh they just go after the biggest space uh they just go after the biggest keyword and they're kind of like no I'm keyword and they're kind of like no I'm keyword and they're kind of like no I'm targeting everything and I'm basically

targeting everything and I'm basically targeting everything and I'm basically looking at a couple of these big sites

looking at a couple of these big sites looking at a couple of these big sites over here and uh they they have no

over here and uh they they have no over here and uh they they have no concept of an audience especially a

concept of an audience especially a concept of an audience especially a niche audience

niche audience niche audience you know in a lot of those cases too

you know in a lot of those cases too you know in a lot of those cases too um every Niche has beginners right and

um every Niche has beginners right and um every Niche has beginners right and often those beginner terms now casino

often those beginner terms now casino often those beginner terms now casino and gambling might be really saturated and gambling might be really saturated and gambling might be really saturated somebody might have had this idea in somebody might have had this idea in somebody might have had this idea in there but I bet there's a lot of

there but I bet there's a lot of there but I bet there's a lot of opportunities for educating

opportunities for educating opportunities for educating uh on how to do and once what I've found

uh on how to do and once what I've found uh on how to do and once what I've found is if you educate somebody if you're one is if you educate somebody if you're one is if you educate somebody if you're one of the first to tell them something that

of the first to tell them something that of the first to tell them something that resonates they become brand ambassadors

resonates they become brand ambassadors resonates they become brand ambassadors for you you know they love you so even

for you you know they love you so even for you you know they love you so even in the casino and gambling niches I bet

in the casino and gambling niches I bet in the casino and gambling niches I bet you could you could you could figure out an area where there are

figure out an area where there are figure out an area where there are beginners and then once you teach them

beginners and then once you teach them beginners and then once you teach them how to play and it resonates they're how to play and it resonates they're how to play and it resonates they're yours for life yours for life yours for life um I always look at those kind of um I always look at those kind of um I always look at those kind of beginner crop situations because there

beginner crop situations because there beginner crop situations because there that's the crop that always exists that's the crop that always exists that's the crop that always exists somebody's always getting interested in

somebody's always getting interested in somebody's always getting interested in it somebody's always starting for the

it somebody's always starting for the it somebody's always starting for the first time somebody's always needs some first time somebody's always needs some first time somebody's always needs some introduction to it has always wanted to introduction to it has always wanted to introduction to it has always wanted to do it but didn't know how those audience

do it but didn't know how those audience do it but didn't know how those audience exist in nearly every Niche I'd look at

exist in nearly every Niche I'd look at exist in nearly every Niche I'd look at those opportunities those opportunities those opportunities and you know just even reflecting on

and you know just even reflecting on and you know just even reflecting on what actually exists in the affiliate

what actually exists in the affiliate what actually exists in the affiliate marketing space in eye gaming it's uh

marketing space in eye gaming it's uh marketing space in eye gaming it's uh it's very true uh very few websites

it's very true uh very few websites it's very true uh very few websites actually look at the beginning going hey

actually look at the beginning going hey actually look at the beginning going hey we're gonna hold your hand get started

we're gonna hold your hand get started we're gonna hold your hand get started screenshots of everything like this is

screenshots of everything like this is screenshots of everything like this is signing up this is depositing

signing up this is depositing signing up this is depositing um this is the withdrawal process like um this is the withdrawal process like um this is the withdrawal process like things that you just think are tedious

things that you just think are tedious things that you just think are tedious and pointless are I mean any affiliate

and pointless are I mean any affiliate and pointless are I mean any affiliate that I know that has done that they

that I know that has done that they that I know that has done that they usually do pretty well and they're quite usually do pretty well and they're quite usually do pretty well and they're quite happy that no one wants to take that

happy that no one wants to take that happy that no one wants to take that extra effort to

extra effort to extra effort to tons of seos you know they do courses

tons of seos you know they do courses tons of seos you know they do courses just for beginners and they obviously

just for beginners and they obviously just for beginners and they obviously have to have the patience of answering have to have the patience of answering have to have the patience of answering the same question a thousand times even

the same question a thousand times even the same question a thousand times even though it's in all of your it's in all

though it's in all of your it's in all though it's in all of your it's in all the guides it's in all the videos you

the guides it's in all the videos you the guides it's in all the videos you probably said it five times four times

probably said it five times four times probably said it five times four times and then someone will still ask the and then someone will still ask the and then someone will still ask the question you still you have to have that question you still you have to have that question you still you have to have that level of patience but

level of patience but level of patience but uh those people those people exist

uh those people those people exist uh those people those people exist all right last question is what do you

all right last question is what do you all right last question is what do you see as the future of affiliate marketing see as the future of affiliate marketing see as the future of affiliate marketing as it intersex with business as it intersex with business as it intersex with business intelligence

intelligence intelligence I think one of the biggest things that

I think one of the biggest things that I think one of the biggest things that people are going to want to focus on is

people are going to want to focus on is people are going to want to focus on is semantics uh and ontology ontology is a

semantics uh and ontology ontology is a semantics uh and ontology ontology is a concept of how you cluster your Concepts

concept of how you cluster your Concepts concept of how you cluster your Concepts and the reason I say that is that what I

and the reason I say that is that what I and the reason I say that is that what I see with say Ai and stuff like that is

see with say Ai and stuff like that is see with say Ai and stuff like that is an enhanced search in our near future

an enhanced search in our near future an enhanced search in our near future it's kind of like a keywords everywhere it's kind of like a keywords everywhere it's kind of like a keywords everywhere serp Works where yeah you click the

serp Works where yeah you click the serp Works where yeah you click the button and you get data extracted in the

button and you get data extracted in the button and you get data extracted in the way that you want it and and set up in a

way that you want it and and set up in a way that you want it and and set up in a way that you want to see it so then

way that you want to see it so then way that you want to see it so then um you get the information you want so I

um you get the information you want so I um you get the information you want so I can see that being personalized for can see that being personalized for can see that being personalized for people where they they do the Surge and

people where they they do the Surge and people where they they do the Surge and then on the top or on the side how they

then on the top or on the side how they then on the top or on the side how they want data presented to them will be

want data presented to them will be want data presented to them will be available available available and so this presents an opportunity

and so this presents an opportunity and so this presents an opportunity because they're going to be two forms of because they're going to be two forms of because they're going to be two forms of optimization there's gonna be the one optimization there's gonna be the one optimization there's gonna be the one that we're doing now to show up in the

that we're doing now to show up in the that we're doing now to show up in the top ten but once you're in the top ten

top ten but once you're in the top ten top ten but once you're in the top ten you also want the correct data pulled

you also want the correct data pulled you also want the correct data pulled out that makes you more enticing yeah

out that makes you more enticing yeah out that makes you more enticing yeah that gives them gives the visitor the

that gives them gives the visitor the that gives them gives the visitor the the user the information that they're the user the information that they're the user the information that they're looking for so that they will click into

looking for so that they will click into looking for so that they will click into your site and AI is really built like

your site and AI is really built like your site and AI is really built like generative Ai and stuff like that is generative Ai and stuff like that is generative Ai and stuff like that is really built on language understanding really built on language understanding really built on language understanding and so how your structure your semantic

and so how your structure your semantic and so how your structure your semantic structure is how the terms you have on

structure is how the terms you have on structure is how the terms you have on your page to lead to like this is what

your page to lead to like this is what your page to lead to like this is what this is about I think will be even more

this is about I think will be even more this is about I think will be even more important than they are now those kind

important than they are now those kind important than they are now those kind of things are really good for indexing

of things are really good for indexing of things are really good for indexing uh not necessarily ranking within

uh not necessarily ranking within uh not necessarily ranking within Google's algorithm but I see them

Google's algorithm but I see them Google's algorithm but I see them becoming more important in that AI extra

becoming more important in that AI extra becoming more important in that AI extra kind of area where then and that

kind of area where then and that kind of area where then and that information is extracted and so if I

information is extracted and so if I information is extracted and so if I were going no I was looking at where I

were going no I was looking at where I were going no I was looking at where I would go I would start setting this up would go I would start setting this up would go I would start setting this up making sure that AI can't understand my

making sure that AI can't understand my making sure that AI can't understand my pages and what the most important

pages and what the most important pages and what the most important sections of my page my pages are and

sections of my page my pages are and sections of my page my pages are and that's where I where I see things going

that's where I where I see things going that's where I where I see things going in the near future

in the near future in the near future um that makes a lot of sense and uh Kyle

um that makes a lot of sense and uh Kyle um that makes a lot of sense and uh Kyle I want to thank you

I want to thank you I want to thank you um yeah it's uh all these questions as

um yeah it's uh all these questions as um yeah it's uh all these questions as much as I try to make it such for it's

much as I try to make it such for it's much as I try to make it such for it's for this affiliate audience I mean I see

for this affiliate audience I mean I see for this affiliate audience I mean I see a lot of things that I could take on my

a lot of things that I could take on my a lot of things that I could take on my side as a SAS company and um definitely

side as a SAS company and um definitely side as a SAS company and um definitely I've got more notes for myself but uh I

I've got more notes for myself but uh I I've got more notes for myself but uh I think this is uh this is great uh how

think this is uh this is great uh how think this is uh this is great uh how can people get a hold of you

can people get a hold of you can people get a hold of you the easiest thing is um Kyle roof.com

the easiest thing is um Kyle roof.com the easiest thing is um Kyle roof.com and all my stuff is there my latest like

and all my stuff is there my latest like and all my stuff is there my latest like this podcast will go on there and

this podcast will go on there and this podcast will go on there and um on the projects I'm working on get um on the projects I'm working on get um on the projects I'm working on get posted there as well awesome I will

posted there as well awesome I will posted there as well awesome I will share some links in the show notes and

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